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"I don't want Politics in my Gaming!"
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Agreed. And there's nothing wrong with that. There's a big difference between playing a gay character and derailing the entire campaign because you choose to lead a gay rights movement while the world is being overrun by the demon king's hordes. I don't care about the former and have done so myself, but I boot you from my table for the later. Not because I'm against gay rights, but because that's not the kind of story I'm interested in DMing and you're free to find a DM who's interested in this storyline, but you won't take my campaign and players hostage for your Selbstdarstellungsdrang.> you choose to lead a gay rights movement while the world is being overrun by the demon king’s hordes. This maps kind of easily onto "We can't fight for gay rights right now. They just blew up the twin towers!" or similar "wait your turn for justice" arguments. I get the impression that you don't see that kind of thing, and furthermore don't care. You run whatever kind of game you want, but I would be surprised if your settings weren't full of unexamined biases and defaults.
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Seriously. Every form of entertainment has baked-in political assumptions, and that definitely includes #ttrpg . You might *choose* not to examine them, but this is an active *choice* on your part, and you don't get to pretend that your entertainment is "free of politics".
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> you choose to lead a gay rights movement while the world is being overrun by the demon king’s hordes. This maps kind of easily onto "We can't fight for gay rights right now. They just blew up the twin towers!" or similar "wait your turn for justice" arguments. I get the impression that you don't see that kind of thing, and furthermore don't care. You run whatever kind of game you want, but I would be surprised if your settings weren't full of unexamined biases and defaults.Lol, nice strawman you built there. What a bunch of idiotic garbage! There's no need to "wait your turn for justice". Just get yourself a group who enjoys that kind of campaign and you're good to go! This isn't a "We can't fight for gay rights right now. They just blew up the twin towers" scenario. In fact, you're arguing exactly like the people on the opposite side: "How dare you care about gay rights. We need thoughts and prayers for the 9/11 victims right now and everyone who doesn't focus entirely on thoughts and prayers is a terrorist supporter!" That's your argument right there!
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Seriously. Every form of entertainment has baked-in political assumptions, and that definitely includes #ttrpg . You might *choose* not to examine them, but this is an active *choice* on your part, and you don't get to pretend that your entertainment is "free of politics".
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Lol, nice strawman you built there. What a bunch of idiotic garbage! There's no need to "wait your turn for justice". Just get yourself a group who enjoys that kind of campaign and you're good to go! This isn't a "We can't fight for gay rights right now. They just blew up the twin towers" scenario. In fact, you're arguing exactly like the people on the opposite side: "How dare you care about gay rights. We need thoughts and prayers for the 9/11 victims right now and everyone who doesn't focus entirely on thoughts and prayers is a terrorist supporter!" That's your argument right there!I dunno man, you're the one that said the players can't talk focus on gay rights now. there's a demon invasion. Which, again, maps pretty cleanly to that kind of attitude. But I think you might be the kind of person who doesn't understand subtext, or maybe text.
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Seriously. Every form of entertainment has baked-in political assumptions, and that definitely includes #ttrpg . You might *choose* not to examine them, but this is an active *choice* on your part, and you don't get to pretend that your entertainment is "free of politics".Turns out that competently educated adults hate it when politics are crammed into a story in a way that would make their children roll their eyes. If you're an adult and find that kind of story telling compelling... well. Read a book or two perhaps before playing more games. Doesn't have to be Dostojevsky, there are plenty of perfectly fine, easy to read books in the scifi and fantasy genres.
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Seriously. Every form of entertainment has baked-in political assumptions, and that definitely includes #ttrpg . You might *choose* not to examine them, but this is an active *choice* on your part, and you don't get to pretend that your entertainment is "free of politics".
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Seriously. Every form of entertainment has baked-in political assumptions, and that definitely includes #ttrpg . You might *choose* not to examine them, but this is an active *choice* on your part, and you don't get to pretend that your entertainment is "free of politics".I love politics in gaming, I loved Fallout 3, NV,4 (I still enjoyed it but to a lesser extent), Cyberpunk, and Outer Worlds 1/2. I love it when a game has multiple factions, I love when you get to really understand the politics of a fictional world, and I love stories involving politics.
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Seriously. Every form of entertainment has baked-in political assumptions, and that definitely includes #ttrpg . You might *choose* not to examine them, but this is an active *choice* on your part, and you don't get to pretend that your entertainment is "free of politics".I absolutely want politics in gaming. Without it, we'd be stuck in the arcade era. Sure, sometimes I also like to zone out on puzzle games which are largely devout of it. In a large part without it, games would just be sunshine and rainbows? Imagine The Witcher 1 without politics, is there even a game there?
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Seriously. Every form of entertainment has baked-in political assumptions, and that definitely includes #ttrpg . You might *choose* not to examine them, but this is an active *choice* on your part, and you don't get to pretend that your entertainment is "free of politics".I'm very curious what political message shapez is sending. It's a factory building game that takes place in a seeming void where magical shapes appear out of nowhere and then simply get thrown into what appears to be a black hole there's no particular discernible story or message just a fun puzzle
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Seriously. Every form of entertainment has baked-in political assumptions, and that definitely includes #ttrpg . You might *choose* not to examine them, but this is an active *choice* on your part, and you don't get to pretend that your entertainment is "free of politics"."i don't want politics in my games" is an insane thing to say when the biggest franchises for decades have been games about wars. All art is inherently political, but come on. War being apolotical? Literal babybrain. No, politics is when woman and black and I suppose
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Seriously. Every form of entertainment has baked-in political assumptions, and that definitely includes #ttrpg . You might *choose* not to examine them, but this is an active *choice* on your part, and you don't get to pretend that your entertainment is "free of politics".they want something that won't challenge their preconceptions one iota. they don't care about artists crafting a story, they want slop that confirms their biases.
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Turns out that competently educated adults hate it when politics are crammed into a story in a way that would make their children roll their eyes. If you're an adult and find that kind of story telling compelling... well. Read a book or two perhaps before playing more games. Doesn't have to be Dostojevsky, there are plenty of perfectly fine, easy to read books in the scifi and fantasy genres.support artists that make the art you want. don't shit on the stuff others enjoy. can you imagine fallout new vegas without the politics? og deus ex?
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yep they exist. but I don't need to solely focus on them. and this entire thread seems to be people saying that fact over and over again. (as you just did as well) is there some kind of meme I missed or something? I'm confused as to why there's so much hostility in the comments.This comment answers it better than I can - https://beehaw.org/post/24101893/5457340 The hostility comes from the fact that for many, their existence is "political". When people say "I don't want politics in my game" it often means that they don't want to consider the existence of those people.
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Seriously. Every form of entertainment has baked-in political assumptions, and that definitely includes #ttrpg . You might *choose* not to examine them, but this is an active *choice* on your part, and you don't get to pretend that your entertainment is "free of politics".
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Oh, quite the opposite. Most people around me are awesome. And I've gotten pretty good at sorting out the few who are. Actually, after deleting Reddit, pretty much my entire dipshit intake stems from Lemmy. I sometimes really do wonder what I'm still doing here. Because clearly, this entire community has some serious issues to work through.
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I don't care about politics in my games (and shows/movies) as long as it fits into the world and into the story. A TV show examples for that is Torchwood. It has to be the most gay scify show (at least it is the most gay I know) but all of it fits together and I love the show, even as a totaly hetero/cis guy. It doesn't feel forced but is just how everything just it. Not sure if I can explain it good, hope it is somewhat to understand.
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When I say "I don't want politics in my gaming," I mean it literally. Like, I don't care for the Star Wars prequels because they spend a lotta time just doing politics instead of space battles. I don't wanna sit through boring ass senate sessions listening to motions and passing votes. I wanna blow shit up!
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Seriously. Every form of entertainment has baked-in political assumptions, and that definitely includes #ttrpg . You might *choose* not to examine them, but this is an active *choice* on your part, and you don't get to pretend that your entertainment is "free of politics".What's the political assumption of pong? I mean I don't disagree with the sentiment, the moment something has world building or a story or goals that relate to real life non-abstractly, there's at least a political assumption, potentially an intentional statement. And people just don't notice when it conforms to their world view. But politics free entertainment can exist, even if being able to engage in that entertainment necessarily requires some sort of engagement with real politic systems.
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support artists that make the art you want. don't shit on the stuff others enjoy. can you imagine fallout new vegas without the politics? og deus ex?>can you imagine fallout new vegas without the politics? og deus ex? You picked games that were built around the politics, and especially in case of NV did it very well. Let's pick an example where politics are hamfisted and poorly: Last of Us 2. I can imagine a Last of Us without hamfisted politics, or actually, even better than that. I don't have to imagine: I can just look at Last of Us 1.
