Lol, nice strawman you built there. What a bunch of idiotic garbage! There's no need to "wait your turn for justice". Just get yourself a group who enjoys that kind of campaign and you're good to go! This isn't a "We can't fight for gay rights right now. They just blew up the twin towers" scenario. In fact, you're arguing exactly like the people on the opposite side: "How dare you care about gay rights. We need thoughts and prayers for the 9/11 victims right now and everyone who doesn't focus entirely on thoughts and prayers is a terrorist supporter!" That's your argument right there!

Nah some people genuinely just want an escape from the world. Politics is a shit show right now and is always in our faces while many of us feel helpless.

I dunno man, you're the one that said the players can't talk focus on gay rights now. there's a demon invasion. Which, again, maps pretty cleanly to that kind of attitude. But I think you might be the kind of person who doesn't understand subtext, or maybe text.

Turns out that competently educated adults hate it when politics are crammed into a story in a way that would make their children roll their eyes. If you're an adult and find that kind of story telling compelling... well. Read a book or two perhaps before playing more games. Doesn't have to be Dostojevsky, there are plenty of perfectly fine, easy to read books in the scifi and fantasy genres.

Politics in gaming is awesome, ham fisted writing and design wrapped up in an opinion lecturing the player so it breaks the universe ruleset is crap. I play crusader kings for the plot not the politics

I love politics in gaming, I loved Fallout 3, NV,4 (I still enjoyed it but to a lesser extent), Cyberpunk, and Outer Worlds 1/2. I love it when a game has multiple factions, I love when you get to really understand the politics of a fictional world, and I love stories involving politics.

I absolutely want politics in gaming. Without it, we'd be stuck in the arcade era. Sure, sometimes I also like to zone out on puzzle games which are largely devout of it. In a large part without it, games would just be sunshine and rainbows? Imagine The Witcher 1 without politics, is there even a game there?

I'm very curious what political message shapez is sending. It's a factory building game that takes place in a seeming void where magical shapes appear out of nowhere and then simply get thrown into what appears to be a black hole there's no particular discernible story or message just a fun puzzle

"i don't want politics in my games" is an insane thing to say when the biggest franchises for decades have been games about wars. All art is inherently political, but come on. War being apolotical? Literal babybrain. No, politics is when woman and black and I suppose

they want something that won't challenge their preconceptions one iota. they don't care about artists crafting a story, they want slop that confirms their biases.

support artists that make the art you want. don't shit on the stuff others enjoy. can you imagine fallout new vegas without the politics? og deus ex?

This comment answers it better than I can - https://beehaw.org/post/24101893/5457340 The hostility comes from the fact that for many, their existence is "political". When people say "I don't want politics in my game" it often means that they don't want to consider the existence of those people.

only conservatives ever think about this, same goes for movies/shows with "too much inclusivity, and diversity"

Just a massive red flag of a comment right there i tell ya.

I haven't actually seen Torchwood, but I am skeptical that it could possibly be gayer than my beloved Sense8. I do like that era of Doctor Who though, so maybe I should check this out for myself...

Prequels? You don't think the original Star Wars had tons of politics in it?

What's the political assumption of pong? I mean I don't disagree with the sentiment, the moment something has world building or a story or goals that relate to real life non-abstractly, there's at least a political assumption, potentially an intentional statement. And people just don't notice when it conforms to their world view. But politics free entertainment can exist, even if being able to engage in that entertainment necessarily requires some sort of engagement with real politic systems.

>can you imagine fallout new vegas without the politics? og deus ex? You picked games that were built around the politics, and especially in case of NV did it very well. Let's pick an example where politics are hamfisted and poorly: Last of Us 2. I can imagine a Last of Us without hamfisted politics, or actually, even better than that. I don't have to imagine: I can just look at Last of Us 1.

You can tell what someone’s politics are by what they consider political. I was astonished at some of the Steam reviews of Outer Worlds after playing it. People proper pissed off that their experience had been *ruined* because there’s a female side character with an optional side quest where she wants a date with another woman. Like how thoroughly filled with hate do you have to be as a person, to be fine with all the mass killing but suddenly get a moralistic high horse about a fictional character going on a dinner date you don’t approve of. Sad that Steam are making a comment of their own by allowing those reviews to stay up.

meh. artists grow over time. and studios grow in the flexibility they have to message. support another studio that gives you what you want.