So it’s not just me.
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So it’s not just me.
Women really are asking why men aren’t approaching them anymore. This is now a thing. And I don’t know why it’s a thing.
I thought the social contract is that a man should not initiate a conversation with a woman he doesn’t know.
Like I know women aren’t a monolith and everyone has different opinions. But wasn’t there a consensus about how creepy and inappropriate it is for a man to just randomly strike up a conversation?
What am I missing here?
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/20/style/modern-love-men-where-have-you-gone-please-come-back.html
Non-paywall link: https://archive.ph/WNvVQ -
So it’s not just me.
Women really are asking why men aren’t approaching them anymore. This is now a thing. And I don’t know why it’s a thing.
I thought the social contract is that a man should not initiate a conversation with a woman he doesn’t know.
Like I know women aren’t a monolith and everyone has different opinions. But wasn’t there a consensus about how creepy and inappropriate it is for a man to just randomly strike up a conversation?
What am I missing here?
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/20/style/modern-love-men-where-have-you-gone-please-come-back.html
Non-paywall link: https://archive.ph/WNvVQChris I am suspicious of the framing of this article. I only scanned it, but I didn't see any statistics. Nothing like a poll showing X percent of women used to think one thing and now it's changed.
This is a complementary piece to the narrative about "male loneliness."
It's relatable for those who want this story to be true.
The stat that I did see was that younger women are less interested in getting married than in the past. While men have changed less.
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Chris I am suspicious of the framing of this article. I only scanned it, but I didn't see any statistics. Nothing like a poll showing X percent of women used to think one thing and now it's changed.
This is a complementary piece to the narrative about "male loneliness."
It's relatable for those who want this story to be true.
The stat that I did see was that younger women are less interested in getting married than in the past. While men have changed less.
From personal experience I'm a huge fan of getting married if you can find someone who you want to marry. For all the flaws, it can work really well for a lot of people I think.
But I also like to point out that there are pockets of the country where marriage is still a kind of prison for women. And women just now waking up to and resisting this.
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From personal experience I'm a huge fan of getting married if you can find someone who you want to marry. For all the flaws, it can work really well for a lot of people I think.
But I also like to point out that there are pockets of the country where marriage is still a kind of prison for women. And women just now waking up to and resisting this.
@futurebird My social media feeds are being flooded with these “talks”. I wanted to know if this is because the algorithm has put me in a certain box. So I did some digging, and yeah, it’s become a recurring narrative over the past year.
The paranoid side of me thinks this might be a reaction to the Trump presidency. Because it started around the time he got elected.
But correlation, causation, all that jazz. -
@futurebird My social media feeds are being flooded with these “talks”. I wanted to know if this is because the algorithm has put me in a certain box. So I did some digging, and yeah, it’s become a recurring narrative over the past year.
The paranoid side of me thinks this might be a reaction to the Trump presidency. Because it started around the time he got elected.
But correlation, causation, all that jazz.I'm increasingly an "old person" I do think there is still an expectation in hetro relationships that men take the lead in asking. But someone who shares your values is what matters. They wouldn't really care I'd think?
