Anyone who has been saying we are "on the road" to fascism can stop that shit now.
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This whole mentality that if you aren't thrown into a state of rage that would make it easy to ignore the steps required to even know if you have the facts (if there even was a real crime) is a sign (to them) that you don't really care about women or children or their safety.
I don't want anyone to be tortured. Not even the most evil people. More human suffering is simply more human suffering. Nothing is undone by vengeance but, through vengeance more evil may be done. Is this radical?
This isn't "empathy" it's a desire to actually know what happened and act in accordance with reality not the emotional urges evoked by tales of upsetting crimes.
If there are "really bad dudes" we should find them and know exactly who they are and stop them from acting again.
But as things are going we'll need to keep waiting for them to deny the rights of a person with enough means and social network to make the public emotional enough to stop this. This sucks.
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This isn't "empathy" it's a desire to actually know what happened and act in accordance with reality not the emotional urges evoked by tales of upsetting crimes.
If there are "really bad dudes" we should find them and know exactly who they are and stop them from acting again.
But as things are going we'll need to keep waiting for them to deny the rights of a person with enough means and social network to make the public emotional enough to stop this. This sucks.
My neighbor in the Bronx has been snatched away without reason. But they don't speak English and aren't wealthy and it feels like no one is listening.
(Sorry for ranting.)
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This whole mentality that if you aren't thrown into a state of rage that would make it easy to ignore the steps required to even know if you have the facts (if there even was a real crime) is a sign (to them) that you don't really care about women or children or their safety.
I don't want anyone to be tortured. Not even the most evil people. More human suffering is simply more human suffering. Nothing is undone by vengeance but, through vengeance more evil may be done. Is this radical?
@futurebird Those dudes are too emotional to be running a hot-dog-stand, let alone a country.
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It really frustrates me how tagging people with visceral images of evil "push people into subways" or "hit old woman with a baseball bat" however serious these claims might be remains an effective way to short circuit the ability of many Americans to reason.
"No one should have their liberty violated by the state without a trial."
"Yes, obviously."
"Except for these Really Bad Dudes(tm) who I claim have done unspeakable evil"
"That is so evil I will forget everything!"@futurebird @Lana He is the sort of person who would do those things so he speaks from a place of depravity, always projecting the worst of his own thoughts onto others.
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@futurebird @Lana He is the sort of person who would do those things so he speaks from a place of depravity, always projecting the worst of his own thoughts onto others.
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And so much of the outrage at these often imaginary often racist and folklore like "evil acts" is ... performative.
I'm reminded of the kind of guy who boasts all of the time about the terrible things he wants to do "rapists" -- the kind of guy who describes in detail the horrible torture he'd inflict on "rapists" --He loves women so much, right?
Or does he love torture so much?
And when you point out that due process matters, YOU get called a monster for not sharing their bloodlust.
@futurebird @Lana Iβm pretty vocal about my history of CSA. Even well-meaning people often need me to be likeβ¦ βhey, you responded to my experience of violence by wanting to inflict more violence, do you think that helps me? Do you think more violence will make me feel safer?β
Most of them get it. These guys tend to 180 and accuse me of deserving it, bc the violence is the point to them. But so many reasonable people default to that violence, too. Itβs cultural IMO.
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@futurebird @Lana Iβm pretty vocal about my history of CSA. Even well-meaning people often need me to be likeβ¦ βhey, you responded to my experience of violence by wanting to inflict more violence, do you think that helps me? Do you think more violence will make me feel safer?β
Most of them get it. These guys tend to 180 and accuse me of deserving it, bc the violence is the point to them. But so many reasonable people default to that violence, too. Itβs cultural IMO.
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@futurebird @Lana Iβm pretty vocal about my history of CSA. Even well-meaning people often need me to be likeβ¦ βhey, you responded to my experience of violence by wanting to inflict more violence, do you think that helps me? Do you think more violence will make me feel safer?β
Most of them get it. These guys tend to 180 and accuse me of deserving it, bc the violence is the point to them. But so many reasonable people default to that violence, too. Itβs cultural IMO.
What is CSA?
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What is CSA?
Child Sexual Assault/Abuse
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This whole mentality that if you aren't thrown into a state of rage that would make it easy to ignore the steps required to even know if you have the facts (if there even was a real crime) is a sign (to them) that you don't really care about women or children or their safety.
I don't want anyone to be tortured. Not even the most evil people. More human suffering is simply more human suffering. Nothing is undone by vengeance but, through vengeance more evil may be done. Is this radical?
@futurebird @Lana a fantasy moral dilemma i often think about is imagine if you could push one of two buttons, each of which does a mutually incompatible thing to all the billionaires, fascists, techbros, authoritarians and mercenaries causing all the evil and pollution we see today
1. they will live the happiest, most fulfilling lives they will have had, completely unpunished with no regrets, dying quietly and peacefully as centenarians at home surrounded by loved ones, but they and their kind will have no ability to ever influence politics or economy or society again
2. no promise that the evil will not return, but the people responsible for the current evil will be removed from power and tormented with all the evil they had directly or indirectly caused others before perishing once justice has been fully served so that we don't have to think about them anymore
rationally the choice is painfully obvious but i do wonder how many - possibly even a majority - of people would push the second button -
@futurebird @Lana a fantasy moral dilemma i often think about is imagine if you could push one of two buttons, each of which does a mutually incompatible thing to all the billionaires, fascists, techbros, authoritarians and mercenaries causing all the evil and pollution we see today
1. they will live the happiest, most fulfilling lives they will have had, completely unpunished with no regrets, dying quietly and peacefully as centenarians at home surrounded by loved ones, but they and their kind will have no ability to ever influence politics or economy or society again
2. no promise that the evil will not return, but the people responsible for the current evil will be removed from power and tormented with all the evil they had directly or indirectly caused others before perishing once justice has been fully served so that we don't have to think about them anymore
rationally the choice is painfully obvious but i do wonder how many - possibly even a majority - of people would push the second buttonAlso, being peaceful and surrounded by loves ones isn't a given for some of these men and I think that's part of the problem? Being happy can be a terrible thing if you have been a terrible person. It might allow them to catch a glimpse of who they were. In a way 1 is also a kind of punishment.
