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Steam is cracking down on porn games, to keep Payment Processors happy.
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Things of questionable moral value have been available for sale for as long as money has existed. It’s not like this is new. Payment processors got into this business knowing perfectly well that some purchases may not align with their moral values. In fact, they’ve been profiting off it for decades. They don’t get to suddenly clutch their pearls _now_. To be clear, I won’t miss the incest games. I just don’t like the precedent this is setting.Processors don't even deserve the right to even learn what morals even are. They are business entities, and shouldn't have any rights at all, honestly. They're just there to move money and shouldn't get any say at all in what that means. None. Honestly, (to your last point) fuck anyone who is into that shit in any kind of practical way.(if they wanna goon about it, that's another discussion. But even with adding "step", it's kinda close to that vanta black color on the sunniest day. But if having erotic software keeps them out of their siblings and parents and kids' beds, then more power to em.
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I think a better example would be net neutrality. The whole purpose of the payment provider is to move money from Person A to Person B. Just like how ISP is meant to get you from Website A to Website B. It would be like your ISP going "Woah there buckeroo. You can't go to Duck, Duck Go to search. We only let you go to Google."Ahh man, Australia have tried DNS blocking websites via our ISPs however running your own or changing your DNS (on your local machine or your modem if it's not locked down) completely dumpsters this strategy. From memory torrent websites were blocked and some rom / game piracy sites.
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Obviously I'd prefer to pay in crypto directly but some of the stores I shop in don't accept it yet. In person I can pay in cash but shopping privately online is a different story. Gift cards are the next best option, and thanks to them I can use the self checkout scanner and online stores without my purchasing history being tracked. It also allows me to store my savings in a hard asset that can't be easily confiscated, frozen, inflated or stolen, that I can permissionlessly spend whenever I need to, that no one knows how much of or if I have, that if needs be I can flee the country with in an instant without worry that it will be sized or lost. And it gives me the freedom to not be at the mercy of the banking system and just take their debit card fee, debit card issuance fee, debit card replacement fee, transfer fee, deposit fee, overdraft fee, underdraft fee, too little money fee, account having fee, fuck you what you gonna do fee...
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On the one hand, oh noz, the incest games. Who will live without the low effort AI goon crap? On the other hand, why do the payment companies get to dictate what sales are made? It's my fucking money, or my fucking store. It's not the job of the payment processors to determine if I'm buying illegal goods, just that the money goes from me to the store.I mean isn’t this effectively the problem bitcoin aimed to solve originally? Don’t get me wrong, crypto is fucked and I’m not advocating for it here per se. But a locally processed, secure, digital version of cash bypasses the need for any of this. Granted it bypasses the need for some of the most powerful institutions on the planet too, and so will never happen in a truly egalitarian sense.
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Obviously I'd prefer to pay in crypto directly but some of the stores I shop in don't accept it yet. In person I can pay in cash but shopping privately online is a different story. Gift cards are the next best option, and thanks to them I can use the self checkout scanner and online stores without my purchasing history being tracked. It also allows me to store my savings in a hard asset that can't be easily confiscated, frozen, inflated or stolen, that I can permissionlessly spend whenever I need to, that no one knows how much of or if I have, that if needs be I can flee the country with in an instant without worry that it will be sized or lost. And it gives me the freedom to not be at the mercy of the banking system and just take their debit card fee, debit card issuance fee, debit card replacement fee, transfer fee, deposit fee, overdraft fee, underdraft fee, too little money fee, account having fee, fuck you what you gonna do fee...
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>the network that allows bank transfers to happen nigh instantaneously. Ah, so I guess Canada doesn't use them! HahaHaha but also last I checked everyone but north Korea uses them and north Korea I'm just pulling out of my ass because it makes sense to me.
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A rare L for Steam. Not exactly their fault, but I wonder what changed that made them start caring.
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Probably the last tweet that was posted on this thread, if PayPal was denying purchases in certain regions than steam would get scared
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Well, they're not. Monerica is just a repository with links and short description of monero accepting businesses and monero related stuff. Xmrbazaar is a p2p craigslist/facebook marketplace/ebay like service that uses monero instead of FIAT. ::: spoiler Example listing  :::You're even dumber I thought. Those sites mention (multiple times even) game account selling services (breaking TOS's all around), gambling and virtual phone numbers (used in scams almost exclusively). You really think you're going to get people using those sites?
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But they don't hold a monopoly. And at least for now, they are private businesses. If your argument is that they should be nationalized, that's a different conversation and I think we'd agree on more.
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You are still refusing to acknowledge that regional legislation can easily prohibit purchases from sources that facilitate illegal products. I have never heard of a case where payment processors refuse to authorize payment of a legal product because they don't like the product. Do you comprehend how big of a problem it is if a payment processor can't authorize payments to steam? That's not something they do for the fun of it. It's because there are legal hurdles. Everyday they can't authorize payments is lost revenue, and risk of losing customers. I'm sorry, but you will just have to source your incest porn games from somewhere else.And you're missing the point where payment processors aren't the police. They are not the ones to make any decisions like that, yet they do. Point in case: hoe many payment processors allow legal porn? It's easy to jump onto child pornography, but it's completely missing the point.
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And you're missing the point where payment processors aren't the police. They are not the ones to make any decisions like that, yet they do. Point in case: hoe many payment processors allow legal porn? It's easy to jump onto child pornography, but it's completely missing the point.I'm not missing the point where payment processor aren't police. But they still need to follow legislation in the region they operate. First of, it's not "Point in case", it's "Case in point". Second, I can honestly say. I have no idea how many payment processors does or does not authorize payments regarding legal porn for various websites. Feel free to link an article or source that investigates that particular topic. If you look at the post. They claim "Possibly related to PayPal because people in ***certain regions*** have not been able to use it to pay on Steam." If this was PayPal taking a stand on a corporate level against porn games on steam. Why would only ***certain regions*** be affected instead of everyone? The obvious answer, is that it's only ***certain regions***, because of their legislation. If PayPal wish to do business in their region. They have to follow their laws for those customers.
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Here's what i think is likely. For one reason or another, they get excessive refund/chargeback requests regarding these types of titles and decided to act as they don't think it's profitable. I don't think they care what so ever what you buy, as long as it's profitable for them.Yeah, no. First off: payment processors (yet again) don't get to dictate what I as a customer am allowed to buy or not. Their reasoning doesn't matter. If they prohibited sexual material (most do) then they are effectively trying to ban me from consuming or using sexual materials. Fuck. That. Shit. I don't care for their reasoning, they are a payment processor, process payments and GTFO. Secondly: this has nothing to do with refunds or chargebacks. Sex is the biggest product on the internet, still, and they'd bank like there is no tomorrow would they allow it. A more realistic scenario is that some religious organizations got their hands in there somewhere as they tend to do, in an effort to ensure that their sick mentality gets applied for everyone because there is no religion like a fucked up religion
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Yeah, no. First off: payment processors (yet again) don't get to dictate what I as a customer am allowed to buy or not. Their reasoning doesn't matter. If they prohibited sexual material (most do) then they are effectively trying to ban me from consuming or using sexual materials. Fuck. That. Shit. I don't care for their reasoning, they are a payment processor, process payments and GTFO. Secondly: this has nothing to do with refunds or chargebacks. Sex is the biggest product on the internet, still, and they'd bank like there is no tomorrow would they allow it. A more realistic scenario is that some religious organizations got their hands in there somewhere as they tend to do, in an effort to ensure that their sick mentality gets applied for everyone because there is no religion like a fucked up religionPayment processors, such as PayPal. Are private companies and have a wide discretion to decide who they do, and don't do business with. Just like you as a private person have a wide discretion to decide who you do, and don't do business with. A baker has every right to refuse a customer that wants a cake with a swastika on it. So the same rules have to apply to PayPal being allowed to refuse to do business with certain industries. They are not your bank. If, it was some "religious organization" that got their hands in PayPal. Why would they only stop authorizing payments in certain regions? Wouldn't it then be applied everywhere? The fact that it was only in specific regions. Makes it far more likely that it's due to the legislation in those regions regarding incest. Rather than a moral decision from corporate PayPal to stop authorizing payments to Steam. Steam did not remove every porn game. They removed those belonging to a very specific category.