Which do you agree with most?
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Which do you agree with most?
A. The concept of "Futuristic" is dying.
From the 1890s to the present the concept of a futuristic aesthetic has lost meaning, inverted in on itself and is nearing irrelevance in the past two decades.B. There is some truth to A, but this is also just a change in perspective that's a function of aging. A "futuristic aesthetic" still may make sense for young people.
C. There will always be a "futuristic aesthetic" what do you mean it's "dying?"
D. Other
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Which do you agree with most?
A. The concept of "Futuristic" is dying.
From the 1890s to the present the concept of a futuristic aesthetic has lost meaning, inverted in on itself and is nearing irrelevance in the past two decades.B. There is some truth to A, but this is also just a change in perspective that's a function of aging. A "futuristic aesthetic" still may make sense for young people.
C. There will always be a "futuristic aesthetic" what do you mean it's "dying?"
D. Other
@futurebird C, but it's looking less like Dan Dare, and more like Mad Max (or Call of Cthulhu).
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Which do you agree with most?
A. The concept of "Futuristic" is dying.
From the 1890s to the present the concept of a futuristic aesthetic has lost meaning, inverted in on itself and is nearing irrelevance in the past two decades.B. There is some truth to A, but this is also just a change in perspective that's a function of aging. A "futuristic aesthetic" still may make sense for young people.
C. There will always be a "futuristic aesthetic" what do you mean it's "dying?"
D. Other
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Which do you agree with most?
A. The concept of "Futuristic" is dying.
From the 1890s to the present the concept of a futuristic aesthetic has lost meaning, inverted in on itself and is nearing irrelevance in the past two decades.B. There is some truth to A, but this is also just a change in perspective that's a function of aging. A "futuristic aesthetic" still may make sense for young people.
C. There will always be a "futuristic aesthetic" what do you mean it's "dying?"
D. Other
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@futurebird i think if A were completely accurate, zoomers wouldn't post "society if we x [green-utopia.jpg]" as much as they do. i think it just feels less attainable these days, is all
OK but that meme feels cynical to some degree. That imagery is as hokey as Buck Rodgers was to us at their age to them. It's OLD. Some one else's dream.
Some of the solarpunk art is kind of more... something. Maybe. But even that's eating itself as I watch.
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Which do you agree with most?
A. The concept of "Futuristic" is dying.
From the 1890s to the present the concept of a futuristic aesthetic has lost meaning, inverted in on itself and is nearing irrelevance in the past two decades.B. There is some truth to A, but this is also just a change in perspective that's a function of aging. A "futuristic aesthetic" still may make sense for young people.
C. There will always be a "futuristic aesthetic" what do you mean it's "dying?"
D. Other
@futurebird I think today's futurism is less of a visual aesthetic and more like; imagining a future where everyone's needs are met and humanity lives in balanced symbiosis with nature and everyone is free to follow their own passions while living lives of recreation and mutual service...
Also giant robots
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@futurebird I think today's futurism is less of a visual aesthetic and more like; imagining a future where everyone's needs are met and humanity lives in balanced symbiosis with nature and everyone is free to follow their own passions while living lives of recreation and mutual service...
Also giant robots
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@futurebird C, but it's looking less like Dan Dare, and more like Mad Max (or Call of Cthulhu).
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@futurebird
we're barreling into postfuturism nowI can really get in an argument with myself on this one as I agree with this. But, I also think it's subject to the "things were better then/end of history" fallacy.
Though the twin of that fallacy is the "nothing ever happens" fallacy.
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Which do you agree with most?
A. The concept of "Futuristic" is dying.
From the 1890s to the present the concept of a futuristic aesthetic has lost meaning, inverted in on itself and is nearing irrelevance in the past two decades.B. There is some truth to A, but this is also just a change in perspective that's a function of aging. A "futuristic aesthetic" still may make sense for young people.
C. There will always be a "futuristic aesthetic" what do you mean it's "dying?"
D. Other
@futurebird not that i think i’m super in touch with the youths or anything, but i feel like if anything a lot of younger folks are excited about the sort of (now-)retro-future aesthetics i (& those older than me) grew up alongside. it’s like that desire is still there, the powers that be have just decided that the future is beige, hostile, and lacking in identity.
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@darkling @futurebird yeah. "Futuristic" used to imply optimistic. Now it's almost synonymous w/ "dystopian".
I think imaging a future with people doing things other than suffering and dying is always optimistic.
But I AM an optimist. Just a very very modest one.
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OK but that meme feels cynical to some degree. That imagery is as hokey as Buck Rodgers was to us at their age to them. It's OLD. Some one else's dream.
Some of the solarpunk art is kind of more... something. Maybe. But even that's eating itself as I watch.
@futurebird nah i getchu, i think a lotta folks find it tough to even imagine "the future" anymore, whether they're dreading environmental collapse or WW3 or just more of… well, *gestures around* this.
that said i think it's worth noting that while, yes, it is corny and dated, it still resonates with them to an extent as "what we could have" if that makes sense? like there's a sardonic grin, to be sure, but i can feel the sincerity under the surface a lot of the time.
solarpunk definitely feels more relevant, and i think it helps that there's a certain philosophical aspect to it beyond "what if things were good;" it feels a bit more actionable of a future than ambiguous goopy white skyscrapers with plants, for sure!
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@futurebird not that i think i’m super in touch with the youths or anything, but i feel like if anything a lot of younger folks are excited about the sort of (now-)retro-future aesthetics i (& those older than me) grew up alongside. it’s like that desire is still there, the powers that be have just decided that the future is beige, hostile, and lacking in identity.
@brhfl @futurebird Yeah, retro is really in right now in a lot of things. Like it's almost freaky to me as a millennial seeing the things that were normal aesthetics that were often products of limitations of the time suddenly popular now despite the lack of said limitations.
Case in point, Minecraft intentionally using extra blocky graphics complete with shockingly tiny textures. There was no physical limitation of the engine that made it require a 16x16 texture for each block. It's easy to replace them with high res textures even. The limitation is arbitrarily applied as if it was old.
I keep trying to remind people that the classics that were great were great despite their limitations, not because of them.
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Which do you agree with most?
A. The concept of "Futuristic" is dying.
From the 1890s to the present the concept of a futuristic aesthetic has lost meaning, inverted in on itself and is nearing irrelevance in the past two decades.B. There is some truth to A, but this is also just a change in perspective that's a function of aging. A "futuristic aesthetic" still may make sense for young people.
C. There will always be a "futuristic aesthetic" what do you mean it's "dying?"
D. Other
@futurebird
Futuristic is now partially a mix of cyberpunk aesthetic and solarpunk, I think.Gleaming white structures with very sleek vehicles still works too though as a shorthand, and that goes back a while.
The cyberpunk aesthetic is actually also old enough to be retrofuturistic, and the whole point is it's grimy and street, but since we don't have visible implants everywhere and robotic critters roaming around it still holds as implying futuristic too.
Solarpunk is newer.
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@futurebird
Futuristic is now partially a mix of cyberpunk aesthetic and solarpunk, I think.Gleaming white structures with very sleek vehicles still works too though as a shorthand, and that goes back a while.
The cyberpunk aesthetic is actually also old enough to be retrofuturistic, and the whole point is it's grimy and street, but since we don't have visible implants everywhere and robotic critters roaming around it still holds as implying futuristic too.
Solarpunk is newer.
"retrofuturistic cyberpunk" is making me dizzy but boy does all that green scrolling text feel quaint as doilies doesn't it?
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@futurebird
Futuristic is now partially a mix of cyberpunk aesthetic and solarpunk, I think.Gleaming white structures with very sleek vehicles still works too though as a shorthand, and that goes back a while.
The cyberpunk aesthetic is actually also old enough to be retrofuturistic, and the whole point is it's grimy and street, but since we don't have visible implants everywhere and robotic critters roaming around it still holds as implying futuristic too.
Solarpunk is newer.
@faassen @futurebird The gleaming city with futuristic transport, visually, goes back at least as far as the film Metropolis (which was probably a simple extrapolation of what New York was doing at the time).
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Which do you agree with most?
A. The concept of "Futuristic" is dying.
From the 1890s to the present the concept of a futuristic aesthetic has lost meaning, inverted in on itself and is nearing irrelevance in the past two decades.B. There is some truth to A, but this is also just a change in perspective that's a function of aging. A "futuristic aesthetic" still may make sense for young people.
C. There will always be a "futuristic aesthetic" what do you mean it's "dying?"
D. Other
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Which do you agree with most?
A. The concept of "Futuristic" is dying.
From the 1890s to the present the concept of a futuristic aesthetic has lost meaning, inverted in on itself and is nearing irrelevance in the past two decades.B. There is some truth to A, but this is also just a change in perspective that's a function of aging. A "futuristic aesthetic" still may make sense for young people.
C. There will always be a "futuristic aesthetic" what do you mean it's "dying?"
D. Other
I have been thinking about our struggle imagining a positive future.
So I wrote a deliberately determinedly optimistic solarpunk poem recently:
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Other:
I think it is splintering.
Raygun Gothic
Retrofuture
Vaporwave
Used Future
all are different forms of 'Futuristic'.
Vaporwave was just another more rapid wave of retro. That's what I mean by "eating itself" The ouroboros is running out of rope. It will soon pop out of existence.
