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Smugglers busted trying to take thousands of queen ants out of Kenya, destined for the exotic pet trade.

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    Smugglers busted trying to take thousands of queen ants out of Kenya, destined for the exotic pet trade. #ants #WildlifeTrafficking https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/16/africa/ants-smuggling-kenya-teens-arrested-intl/index.html

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    • Alex WildA Alex Wild

      Smugglers busted trying to take thousands of queen ants out of Kenya, destined for the exotic pet trade. #ants #WildlifeTrafficking https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/16/africa/ants-smuggling-kenya-teens-arrested-intl/index.html

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      @alexwild

      They were just teens. The whole thing is kind of wild.

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      • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

        @alexwild

        They were just teens. The whole thing is kind of wild.

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        @futurebird Gonna talk about this during our lab meeting next week, I think. Lots of issues.

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        • Alex WildA Alex Wild

          @futurebird Gonna talk about this during our lab meeting next week, I think. Lots of issues.

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          @alexwild @futurebird And they were well prepared with more than 2,000 test tubes. In Europe, 19 yrs old means that you are adult, and you learn at school that it's even forbidden to import or sent foreign species to the EU.

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          • Petra van CronenburgN Petra van Cronenburg

            @alexwild @futurebird And they were well prepared with more than 2,000 test tubes. In Europe, 19 yrs old means that you are adult, and you learn at school that it's even forbidden to import or sent foreign species to the EU.

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            @NatureMC @alexwild

            I don't feel that sorry for them, but this is such a high effort way to try to make money. And when it comes to collecting wild queens depending on the species the impact might not be an issue. Really the big issue is spreading invasive species and not having any respect for the laws of Kenya.

            Personally I don't think anyone "needs" to keep exotic ants. But, I also think governments can be inattentive either making too strict laws or not enough.

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              @NatureMC @alexwild

              I don't feel that sorry for them, but this is such a high effort way to try to make money. And when it comes to collecting wild queens depending on the species the impact might not be an issue. Really the big issue is spreading invasive species and not having any respect for the laws of Kenya.

              Personally I don't think anyone "needs" to keep exotic ants. But, I also think governments can be inattentive either making too strict laws or not enough.

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              @NatureMC @alexwild

              Beyond it being bad to be an ant smuggler, the inattentiveness of governments to insect keeping hobbies makes things like this more likely to happen.

              The US import laws are absurd. It's illegal to take, for example Camponotus pennsylvanicus from OH to PA, even though that ant is common in both states. Technically you need a permit. So ant-keepers have to judge when they should bother to apply for permits.

              Meanwhile people are selling everything online and it's not OK.

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              • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                @NatureMC @alexwild

                Beyond it being bad to be an ant smuggler, the inattentiveness of governments to insect keeping hobbies makes things like this more likely to happen.

                The US import laws are absurd. It's illegal to take, for example Camponotus pennsylvanicus from OH to PA, even though that ant is common in both states. Technically you need a permit. So ant-keepers have to judge when they should bother to apply for permits.

                Meanwhile people are selling everything online and it's not OK.

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                @NatureMC @alexwild

                I think it's just that it's such a niche market and hobby that no one pays any attention to what's going on until something out of pocket like teens smuggling a suitcase of queens pops up.

                Personally, I just keep local species.

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                • Alex WildA Alex Wild

                  Smugglers busted trying to take thousands of queen ants out of Kenya, destined for the exotic pet trade. #ants #WildlifeTrafficking https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/16/africa/ants-smuggling-kenya-teens-arrested-intl/index.html

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                  @alexwild

                  I really hope the customs officers released those queens and didn't let them just die in the tubes. 😞

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                  • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                    @NatureMC @alexwild

                    I don't feel that sorry for them, but this is such a high effort way to try to make money. And when it comes to collecting wild queens depending on the species the impact might not be an issue. Really the big issue is spreading invasive species and not having any respect for the laws of Kenya.

                    Personally I don't think anyone "needs" to keep exotic ants. But, I also think governments can be inattentive either making too strict laws or not enough.

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                    @futurebird I completely agree. @alexwild

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                    • Petra van CronenburgN Petra van Cronenburg

                      @futurebird I completely agree. @alexwild

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                      @NatureMC @alexwild

                      The US laws are mostly to protect farmers ants are listed as "pests" but not all ants are pests. You need to go species by species. People who work in research and who follow the letter of the law have a lot of paperwork.

                      Then there is that exemption for Pogonomyrmex occidentalis (the ants sold in "Uncle Milton" ant farms) you can ship those ants all you want. But only because a company set it up?

                      IDK it's frustrating.

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                      • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                        @NatureMC @alexwild

                        I don't feel that sorry for them, but this is such a high effort way to try to make money. And when it comes to collecting wild queens depending on the species the impact might not be an issue. Really the big issue is spreading invasive species and not having any respect for the laws of Kenya.

                        Personally I don't think anyone "needs" to keep exotic ants. But, I also think governments can be inattentive either making too strict laws or not enough.

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                        @futurebird @alexwild Apropos invasive ants - we have a real problem in Europe: https://www.science.org/content/article/red-fire-ants-dreaded-pest-have-invaded-europe
                        Spread by human trade (it's unknown if by other products or by traficking).

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                        • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                          @NatureMC @alexwild

                          I don't feel that sorry for them, but this is such a high effort way to try to make money. And when it comes to collecting wild queens depending on the species the impact might not be an issue. Really the big issue is spreading invasive species and not having any respect for the laws of Kenya.

                          Personally I don't think anyone "needs" to keep exotic ants. But, I also think governments can be inattentive either making too strict laws or not enough.

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                          @futurebird @NatureMC @alexwild Ants themselves may be less of a problem, but the parasites they could carry may be disastrous. Veroa mites came from imported bees. Those things have decimated bee populations globally since.

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                          • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                            @NatureMC @alexwild

                            The US laws are mostly to protect farmers ants are listed as "pests" but not all ants are pests. You need to go species by species. People who work in research and who follow the letter of the law have a lot of paperwork.

                            Then there is that exemption for Pogonomyrmex occidentalis (the ants sold in "Uncle Milton" ant farms) you can ship those ants all you want. But only because a company set it up?

                            IDK it's frustrating.

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                            @futurebird Yes. I only know that the US laws are very different from the EU in declaring something a pest.
                            @alexwild

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                            • Petra van CronenburgN Petra van Cronenburg

                              @futurebird @alexwild Apropos invasive ants - we have a real problem in Europe: https://www.science.org/content/article/red-fire-ants-dreaded-pest-have-invaded-europe
                              Spread by human trade (it's unknown if by other products or by traficking).

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                              @NatureMC @alexwild

                              I think it's unlikely that antkeepers were responsible for this. Most of the invasive ant events happen due to the exotic plant trade. Greenhouses import plants along with their soil and they bring over so many creatures in the soil: ants, mites, beetles everything.

                              If someone wants to prevent invasive ants do a better job checking imported plants.

                              NZ is pretty good about this. The US isn't.

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                              • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                                @NatureMC @alexwild

                                I don't feel that sorry for them, but this is such a high effort way to try to make money. And when it comes to collecting wild queens depending on the species the impact might not be an issue. Really the big issue is spreading invasive species and not having any respect for the laws of Kenya.

                                Personally I don't think anyone "needs" to keep exotic ants. But, I also think governments can be inattentive either making too strict laws or not enough.

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                                @futurebird @NatureMC @alexwild I feel sorry for the ants

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                                • Petra van CronenburgN Petra van Cronenburg

                                  @futurebird Yes. I only know that the US laws are very different from the EU in declaring something a pest.
                                  @alexwild

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                                  @NatureMC @alexwild

                                  US law makes shipping most ants between STATES illegal. And this makes some sense since the US is very large and there are ants that should not be shipped. But it's also too strict and general.

                                  Although recently getting permits has become easier. But, they don't have people who know enough about ants doing the permits. A seller applied for a permit for a common carpenter ant, and got the permit but both the seller and the government had the species wrong.

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                                  • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                                    @NatureMC @alexwild

                                    US law makes shipping most ants between STATES illegal. And this makes some sense since the US is very large and there are ants that should not be shipped. But it's also too strict and general.

                                    Although recently getting permits has become easier. But, they don't have people who know enough about ants doing the permits. A seller applied for a permit for a common carpenter ant, and got the permit but both the seller and the government had the species wrong.

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                                    @NatureMC @alexwild

                                    Granted it's one of the harder to identify and distinguish species, but the solution has been that the seller just keeps selling an incorrectly identified ant, and if you bring it up online they show up and yell at you (understandable I wouldn't want to have to do the permit process again)

                                    The permit should have been for the whole "species complex" as this ant is one of a group of hard to distinguish carpenter ants that live in the south and make nice pets.

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                                      @futurebird @NatureMC @alexwild I feel sorry for the ants

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                                      @Beedazzled @NatureMC @alexwild

                                      The poor queens must be so confused. They get captured and think they might die, then they are in a nice place for a nest... but with too many earthquakes. Too many bright lights.

                                      It's scary for a little bug.

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                                        @futurebird @NatureMC @alexwild Ants themselves may be less of a problem, but the parasites they could carry may be disastrous. Veroa mites came from imported bees. Those things have decimated bee populations globally since.

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                                        @Extra_Special_Carbon It is always a problem, if you illegally take speciemens out of their home habitat to a foreign one, as in traficking just for money.

                                        The problem begins with the ethics of the people who do it. It's a kind of colonialist behaviour against nature.
                                        (I would like to recommend Robin Wall Kimmerer's "Braiding Sweetgrass" about a more ethical attitude.)

                                        @futurebird @alexwild

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