A conversation I had as a teenager in the 90s on why Bush was president.
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A conversation I had as a teenager in the 90s on why Bush was president. “If only they hadn’t brought up gay marriage. That was too far.” Said some ostensibly ‘liberal’ friend of my parents. Being a child? I wondered if they were right. They were not it’s now obvious. If not gay marriage we’d be on “can a mother have a career?” or “can interracial marriages work?”
Short of “big men” with clubs who literally own people you cannot fill the void longing for control and domination in these men.
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A conversation I had as a teenager in the 90s on why Bush was president. “If only they hadn’t brought up gay marriage. That was too far.” Said some ostensibly ‘liberal’ friend of my parents. Being a child? I wondered if they were right. They were not it’s now obvious. If not gay marriage we’d be on “can a mother have a career?” or “can interracial marriages work?”
Short of “big men” with clubs who literally own people you cannot fill the void longing for control and domination in these men.
@futurebird I see the Big Men, Justice, and society’s rate of possible change as 3 separate issues. To my thinking, #3 puts real limits on when justice and rights can be delivered. I think Obergefell happened when it did because society changed (slowly) and that was the result of brilliant issue framing around love, as well as Will & Grace, and Ellen, and other incremental changes over the prior 20 years. Big Men want to roll it back, but it’s less possible bc US bought in.
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@futurebird I see the Big Men, Justice, and society’s rate of possible change as 3 separate issues. To my thinking, #3 puts real limits on when justice and rights can be delivered. I think Obergefell happened when it did because society changed (slowly) and that was the result of brilliant issue framing around love, as well as Will & Grace, and Ellen, and other incremental changes over the prior 20 years. Big Men want to roll it back, but it’s less possible bc US bought in.
OK. But I think the idea that there is a gradient is an illusion.
You can't have "just a little equality" or "some treating humans with a right to self-determination"
Either you respect everyone or you can be turned into a tool for exploiting just about anyone, including "you own" whoever you might thinks those people are.
This is not to say that people don't need to learn about kinds of marginalization they have not encountered.
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OK. But I think the idea that there is a gradient is an illusion.
You can't have "just a little equality" or "some treating humans with a right to self-determination"
Either you respect everyone or you can be turned into a tool for exploiting just about anyone, including "you own" whoever you might thinks those people are.
This is not to say that people don't need to learn about kinds of marginalization they have not encountered.
But that kind of learning happens fast if you already have the general picture.
My mom is in her 90s. Eight years ago she said "I don't get this gender stuff." But, because of her basic framework for understanding how power operates she "got it" in a few hours. And in a few months it was just another part of the landscape.
Does that make sense?
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