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If a person were a time traveler how might that show up in their skeleton, eg in the isotopic analysis of their teeth?

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  • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

    @CStamp

    The bones carbon date to 4k years ago, but the dental work is modern. The plaque contains DNA from variants of crops no longer commonly grown.

    The reconstructive surgery on the knee is made of 3D printed bone, beautiful work, someday we might do something like that.

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    @futurebird @CStamp

    There are bands across my teeth showing when I started drinking fluoridated water.

    But that wouldn't tell someone in the late 1800s if someone was a time traveler or if they simply grew up in Colorado.

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    • Bruce Heerssen :guillotine:B Bruce Heerssen :guillotine:

      @futurebird @catmisgivings

      That seems unlikely given how much shrimp we eat today. It's a lot.

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      @bruce @futurebird I wish I remembered the figure for what proportion of the Lenape diet was fish and seafood at the time the settlers came, but I was astonished. A third? Half? The catch was ridiculously abundant

      And these guys who came over from England wanted MEAT and perceived that they were gonna starve on Lenape land

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      • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

        If a person were a time traveler how might that show up in their skeleton, eg in the isotopic analysis of their teeth?

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        @futurebird If someone had been born after a nuclear war, that would show up in their teeth and bones in terms of much higher levels of radioactive strontium compared to contemporary humans.

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        • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

          If a person were a time traveler how might that show up in their skeleton, eg in the isotopic analysis of their teeth?

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          @futurebird Fluorine in the teeth; dental work generally. (Orthodontics leave traces! Implants on titanium posts rather more so.)

          The other thing is that this kind of thing is generally very coarse; "its diet was C4 plants" has been the result for jaguar skeletal remains. (They were ritual jaguars fed on corn-fed turkeys, far as anyone can tell.) Absolute proof of time travel would take something impossible at tech level like that titanium post.

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          • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

            @CStamp

            The bones carbon date to 4k years ago, but the dental work is modern. The plaque contains DNA from variants of crops no longer commonly grown.

            The reconstructive surgery on the knee is made of 3D printed bone, beautiful work, someday we might do something like that.

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            @futurebird @CStamp There's a scene in Robert J. Sawyer's Neanderthal Parallax where the modern Neanderthal who crosses accidentally into our reality is X-rayed, and they note the reconstructive surgery on his jaw. So some guy got surgically altered to look like a Neanderthal? No, the rest of the bone structure matches too.

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            • CatC Cat

              @bruce @futurebird I wish I remembered the figure for what proportion of the Lenape diet was fish and seafood at the time the settlers came, but I was astonished. A third? Half? The catch was ridiculously abundant

              And these guys who came over from England wanted MEAT and perceived that they were gonna starve on Lenape land

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              @catmisgivings @futurebird
              I would eat seafood every day if I could. And if I didn't have to worry about mercury contamination. Oh, and radioactive shrimp.

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              • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                If a person were a time traveler how might that show up in their skeleton, eg in the isotopic analysis of their teeth?

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                @futurebird I’m just imagining a time traveler skeleton showing up, like maybe the secret to time travel is to abandon soft tissue

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                • Bruce Heerssen :guillotine:B Bruce Heerssen :guillotine:

                  @catmisgivings @futurebird
                  I would eat seafood every day if I could. And if I didn't have to worry about mercury contamination. Oh, and radioactive shrimp.

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                  @bruce

                  I'm late to the party but shrimp was the first thing from the sea that started to taste good to me

                  I love it hot in stews and things like that. The occasional order of popcorn shrimp. I'll still give shrimp cocktail a miss

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                  • BodhipaksaB Bodhipaksa

                    @karabaic @futurebird @CStamp The point of that scene was to show that humans were weak and fragile, if I remember correctly.

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                    @bodhipaksa @futurebird @CStamp I think that's right. Zaius denied the valves were what Taylor said they were, an interesting kind of doublethink.

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                    • Moss WizardM Moss Wizard

                      @futurebird I’m just imagining a time traveler skeleton showing up, like maybe the secret to time travel is to abandon soft tissue

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                      @Moss @futurebird or the opposite...

                      ranjit (@ranjit@friend.camp)

                      @anna @futzle@old.mermaid.town there was a humorous sci fi story in which teleportation not only doesn’t send your clothes, it also doesn’t send your bones. Those show up later. So they find a way to cope. I had a comic book adaptation of this story when I was a kid! Look for “Rabbits to the Moon” by Raymond Banks, in this collection: https://archive.org/stream/A_Decade_of_Fantasy_and_Science_Fiction_1960_ed._Robert_P_Mills/A_Decade_of_Fantasy_and_Science_Fiction_1960_ed._Robert_P_Mills_djvu.txt

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                      • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                        If a person were a time traveler how might that show up in their skeleton, eg in the isotopic analysis of their teeth?

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                        @futurebird

                        Microplastics?

                        I do remember one science fiction story where a human fossil was obviously a time traveller, because:

                        A) a human skeleton was found in Cretaceous rock, 60 odd million years before anything human evolved

                        B) the scientist studying the fossil compared an x-ray of the unique pattern of bumps inside the skull, and found a modern human who matched 100%...himself.

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                        • D. G. MarshallD D. G. Marshall

                          @futurebird

                          Microplastics?

                          I do remember one science fiction story where a human fossil was obviously a time traveller, because:

                          A) a human skeleton was found in Cretaceous rock, 60 odd million years before anything human evolved

                          B) the scientist studying the fossil compared an x-ray of the unique pattern of bumps inside the skull, and found a modern human who matched 100%...himself.

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                          @davidtheeviloverlord

                          Well, at least one would know you'd have exciting times in your future.

                          60 million years ago is an interesting period in ant evolution. The ancestor of Titanomyrma was probably around and there are so many gaps in the preservation of insects you could see some really amazing things.

                          Before ending up like a fossil...

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                          • CatC Cat

                            @bruce

                            I'm late to the party but shrimp was the first thing from the sea that started to taste good to me

                            I love it hot in stews and things like that. The occasional order of popcorn shrimp. I'll still give shrimp cocktail a miss

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                            @catmisgivings
                            My favorite way to prepare shrimp is lightly sautéed with butter, garlic, and course ground black pepper. But I'll eat it no matter how it's prepared. Please don't overcook it, though.

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                            • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                              @davidtheeviloverlord

                              Well, at least one would know you'd have exciting times in your future.

                              60 million years ago is an interesting period in ant evolution. The ancestor of Titanomyrma was probably around and there are so many gaps in the preservation of insects you could see some really amazing things.

                              Before ending up like a fossil...

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                              @futurebird

                              Was that the (as far as we know) biggest ant ever?

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                              • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                                If a person were a time traveler how might that show up in their skeleton, eg in the isotopic analysis of their teeth?

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                                @futurebird radioactivity and microplastics? those’ll last forever

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                                • D. G. MarshallD D. G. Marshall

                                  @futurebird

                                  Was that the (as far as we know) biggest ant ever?

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                                  @davidtheeviloverlord

                                  Yes! They found a fossil ant queen the size of a humming bird. Just a massive ant. Magnificent.

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                                  • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                                    @davidtheeviloverlord

                                    Well, at least one would know you'd have exciting times in your future.

                                    60 million years ago is an interesting period in ant evolution. The ancestor of Titanomyrma was probably around and there are so many gaps in the preservation of insects you could see some really amazing things.

                                    Before ending up like a fossil...

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                                    @davidtheeviloverlord @futurebird It is still something to aspire to.

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                                    • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                                      @davidtheeviloverlord

                                      Well, at least one would know you'd have exciting times in your future.

                                      60 million years ago is an interesting period in ant evolution. The ancestor of Titanomyrma was probably around and there are so many gaps in the preservation of insects you could see some really amazing things.

                                      Before ending up like a fossil...

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                                      @futurebird @davidtheeviloverlord madly trying to gather the materials to carve notes in a material that will survive fossilisation

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                                      • ranjitR ranjit

                                        @Moss @futurebird or the opposite...

                                        ranjit (@ranjit@friend.camp)

                                        @anna @futzle@old.mermaid.town there was a humorous sci fi story in which teleportation not only doesn’t send your clothes, it also doesn’t send your bones. Those show up later. So they find a way to cope. I had a comic book adaptation of this story when I was a kid! Look for “Rabbits to the Moon” by Raymond Banks, in this collection: https://archive.org/stream/A_Decade_of_Fantasy_and_Science_Fiction_1960_ed._Robert_P_Mills/A_Decade_of_Fantasy_and_Science_Fiction_1960_ed._Robert_P_Mills_djvu.txt

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                                        @ranjit @futurebird If the bones “show up later”, does that society have a lost and found office where you can collect your own bones?

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                                        • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                                          If a person were a time traveler how might that show up in their skeleton, eg in the isotopic analysis of their teeth?

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                                          @futurebird

                                          For time travelers who were alive in the 1950s-1960s:

                                          Traces of zirconium-90 in the teeth and bones - looks like that would be the end of the strontium-90 decay products.

                                          There are plenty of other radioactive isotopes, of course, but strontium is special because biological processes react with it like calcium, meaning it rapidly gets incorporated into bones and teeth.

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