I was aware that many (if not most) people on the right were not aware that BOTH of the people who tried to assassinate Trump during his campaign were right wingers...
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If you want to talk about left wing political violence Luigi is right there. Talk about him. That's what that was. It is equally obvious.
It was very surreal to listen to right wingers calling for "war" ... when just two months ago Democratic members of the MN legislator were targeted for assassination, one successfully murdered in her own home with her husband.
What do you mean "Now this means war?" this isn't anything new.
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It was very surreal to listen to right wingers calling for "war" ... when just two months ago Democratic members of the MN legislator were targeted for assassination, one successfully murdered in her own home with her husband.
What do you mean "Now this means war?" this isn't anything new.
@futurebird s/MI/MN/ but yeah. And the state police came on TV and said "there's no way to tell if it's us at your door or the assassin."
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@futurebird s/MI/MN/ but yeah. And the state police came on TV and said "there's no way to tell if it's us at your door or the assassin."
How comforting.
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I was aware that many (if not most) people on the right were not aware that BOTH of the people who tried to assassinate Trump during his campaign were right wingers... but I've discovered that the assumption that these attacks came "from the left" or "from Democrats" is also common among people who are less politically engaged.
When I pointed this out I got an interesting response:
"Are you saying it was a false flag?"
"No." I responded.
I will note that most of the media that folk are consuming say that the shooter was "not politically aligned".
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If you want to talk about left wing political violence Luigi is right there. Talk about him. That's what that was. It is equally obvious.
@futurebird Luigi turned out to be not very left-wing, plus hatred of health insurance companies cuts across the political spectrum, so that was hard for the right to weaponize.
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I will note that most of the media that folk are consuming say that the shooter was "not politically aligned".
That is a political choice. Possibly they fear backlash, possibly they think it's a better story that way.
It's been very telling to watch this killer morph from antifa-sleeper agent to "poor sweet quiet confused boy who needed help"
Really it makes me sick.
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It never occurred to me that when I'm pointing out the factual information about who these shooters were it might sound more like a conspiracy theory.
There are a handful of people who have some conspiracy theories about the assassination attempts being "faked." There isn't any evidence to support this.
A disillusioned "super-fan" can be a terrifying thing. Kirk's death falls into a parallel lane. He was ... to the shooter *not right wing enough*
@futurebird I’m seeing this bubble up, that the motivation was “not right wing enough.” Do we know that or are we sort of just piecing together the most likely explanation given his history of gaming, the casing engravings, his parents, maybe other info I don’t know?
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@futurebird I’m seeing this bubble up, that the motivation was “not right wing enough.” Do we know that or are we sort of just piecing together the most likely explanation given his history of gaming, the casing engravings, his parents, maybe other info I don’t know?
He has connections to groypers who are pretty far right. They are also kind of nihilistic so some of that too.
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No. But I find this all very credible.
Well except for Kirk being that important... but I do think some people on the right saw him that way. That seems possible.
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@futurebird Luigi turned out to be not very left-wing, plus hatred of health insurance companies cuts across the political spectrum, so that was hard for the right to weaponize.
@tobinbaker @futurebird Yep, I think more folks are cluing into the false dichotomy that a death on the "right" must have come from the "left", that there's such a thing as further "right". And yeah class warfare is almost assuredly a-political
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It was very surreal to listen to right wingers calling for "war" ... when just two months ago Democratic members of the MN legislator were targeted for assassination, one successfully murdered in her own home with her husband.
What do you mean "Now this means war?" this isn't anything new.
@futurebird It's certainly quite amazing how fast that disappeared from all the media and from most people's minds.
Literally a Democrat was murdered by a right wing killer in the name of the Republican party and just a collective shrug from this country. I wonder if most people even know it happened or if it was swept under the rug that quickly and easily...
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If you want to talk about left wing political violence Luigi is right there. Talk about him. That's what that was. It is equally obvious.
@futurebird The funny thing is, he wasn't really even left wing.
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@futurebird The funny thing is, he wasn't really even left wing.
There were a few signs I thought?
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@tobinbaker @futurebird Yep, I think more folks are cluing into the false dichotomy that a death on the "right" must have come from the "left", that there's such a thing as further "right". And yeah class warfare is almost assuredly a-political
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@futurebird @MightyRedPanda or rather it's a political nonstarter if it doesn't fit into the contemporary culture-war framework
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@futurebird @MightyRedPanda or rather it's a political nonstarter if it doesn't fit into the contemporary culture-war framework
I think it's more that Republicans see it as bait, and Democrats want to keep a lid on it.
But, if you talk to people they are really into these ideas. They are popular. Rich people hate it!
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@futurebird It's certainly quite amazing how fast that disappeared from all the media and from most people's minds.
Literally a Democrat was murdered by a right wing killer in the name of the Republican party and just a collective shrug from this country. I wonder if most people even know it happened or if it was swept under the rug that quickly and easily...
Perhaps some one should run around saying "this is war" after to help focus the attention of the media?
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It never occurred to me that when I'm pointing out the factual information about who these shooters were it might sound more like a conspiracy theory.
There are a handful of people who have some conspiracy theories about the assassination attempts being "faked." There isn't any evidence to support this.
A disillusioned "super-fan" can be a terrifying thing. Kirk's death falls into a parallel lane. He was ... to the shooter *not right wing enough*
@futurebird most stephen king novels are terrible, but there are some really good ones, and one of the really good ones is about this topic, but from the viewpoint of a writer dealing with a superfan.
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It was very surreal to listen to right wingers calling for "war" ... when just two months ago Democratic members of the MN legislator were targeted for assassination, one successfully murdered in her own home with her husband.
What do you mean "Now this means war?" this isn't anything new.
@futurebird we've been at war for decades. It's just that practically all the shooting and bombing is only done by one side. Even Luigi was a right-winger until the horrible usa health insurance industry impacted him personally. Even afterwards, there is still no evidence he shifted left in any other parameter.
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I will note that most of the media that folk are consuming say that the shooter was "not politically aligned".
I'm hearing a lot of second hand information that he was right wing but no actual proof. I would *like* to believe he was right wing. What do we have on that other than ambiguous memes and a conservative family?
