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Subnautica 2 Publisher Says It Fired Cofounders To Avoid Another Kerbal Space Program 2 Debacle

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    Rushing to get the payout is not bad faith. That's the terms of the contract.
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    I'm certain there are clauses that demand a certain level of content and quality.
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      Don't care, show me good gameplay and good reviews, then I'll consider buying it. Why are games nowadays 99% careful wording, business decisions and clout, and 1% game?
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        So do they not actually know what happened with KSP2? Because this isn't going to avoid it. It's basicslly the same exact mistake.
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          "We wanted a fresh _new_ debacle instead!"
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          I agree, but Subnautica was more about exploration than just survival. Sure, you could keep expanding the world to add new environments, but eventually that gets out of hand. For a Subnautica type game, making new ones makes sense, especially to address tech debt as well and start fresh.
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            The fact that it's getting delayed to add content?
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            if I was told my bonus isn't coming I would immediately start slacking
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              It's a lot of money. There are huge incentives on both sides to do the wrong thing (either delay a finished game or push out something half baked). That being said, the current course of action, regardless of justification, is actually going to get us a better game in the end. So there is a sunny side to it for the consumer, which is kind of really rare when you think about it. I would also love to hear from other workers.
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              >That being said, the current course of action, regardless of justification, is actually going to get us a better game in the end. Eh, I'm not sure about that. Sure, a more complete initial launch (probably still early access), but will 1.0 be better, or after that? Part of what made previous games good was getting user feedback early in early access. Sure, they played less complete versions, but it allowed them to direct where the game was heading sooner. Also, how much does this hurt morale of the team? Are they still going to care about the project as much with their owners fucking around with the project? If they don't care as much, the final product is almost certainly worse.
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                The fact that it's getting delayed to add content?
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                *Early Access* is being delayed. They were releasing early access to let users give feedback. Now that feedback will be delayed, which allows them to make mistakes that may have been avoidable if they heard from players sooner.
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                  if I was told my bonus isn't coming I would immediately start slacking
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                  That's the thing tho, they said they would honor the bonus for every employee except those three. Granted the three were getting the lionshare if the bonus, almost all of it, so the publisher is still saving money but they aren't screwing over the actual people making the game in regards to this. We get a delayed release with more content which is usually a good thing imo. Worse case scenario is three dudes getting screwed out of *half* of their 500$ million paycheck. Just pointing out that it isn't a bad situation pet say there.
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                    >That being said, the current course of action, regardless of justification, is actually going to get us a better game in the end. Eh, I'm not sure about that. Sure, a more complete initial launch (probably still early access), but will 1.0 be better, or after that? Part of what made previous games good was getting user feedback early in early access. Sure, they played less complete versions, but it allowed them to direct where the game was heading sooner. Also, how much does this hurt morale of the team? Are they still going to care about the project as much with their owners fucking around with the project? If they don't care as much, the final product is almost certainly worse.
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                    They are still releasing it in early access it seems, they are just delaying it. The team is still getting paid their bonus, and they have more time to implement more things before the early access release from what I understand. I kind of prefer my games delayed. Maybe its ready to leave now and the delay is a big scam but all im seeing is less pressure on the team making it and more content. For the rest, they can figure it out in court.
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                      Don't care, show me good gameplay and good reviews, then I'll consider buying it. Why are games nowadays 99% careful wording, business decisions and clout, and 1% game?
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                      Because money
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                        "We wanted a fresh _new_ debacle instead!"
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                        Shit, I'll take sequels over as-a-service any day. Let continuing revenue be the result of *making new things* and *games being good.*
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                          Krafton has claimed they asked for 30% more content for the early access version, which isn't that minimal.
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                          Depends how much content there was. 10 hours? 100 hours? Adding 3 isn't much, adding 30 is quite a lot. If they really were rushing then maybe there wasn't that much content already and asking 30% wasn't to unrealistic.
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                            They are still releasing it in early access it seems, they are just delaying it. The team is still getting paid their bonus, and they have more time to implement more things before the early access release from what I understand. I kind of prefer my games delayed. Maybe its ready to leave now and the delay is a big scam but all im seeing is less pressure on the team making it and more content. For the rest, they can figure it out in court.
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                            Yeah, that's what I said. I assume the planned release date for 1.0 is staying the same though. This doesn't buy them any more time. It only delays the time where they'd get feedback from the community. You can always wait for early access to be over if you want. This is all that was delayed, not 1.0.
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                              "We wanted a fresh _new_ debacle instead!"
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                              "Whenever I have a problem I throw a molatov cocktail and it and bam! Different problem." - Jason Mendoza
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                                Factorio did it right, IMO. V2.0 as a free update to the base game, launch a paid expansion at the same time. Wube is pretty much the only developer I have faith in to consistently do things right.
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                                i should buy that game
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                                  I'm certain there are clauses that demand a certain level of content and quality.
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                                  No, that's what the income requirement is for. Are you telling me you would buy it even if they shipped a half-baked piece of shit product and all the reviewers told you so?
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                                    So do they not actually know what happened with KSP2? Because this isn't going to avoid it. It's basicslly the same exact mistake.
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                                    ...what did happy to ksp2? I remember ms acquired them then... ?
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                                      Their engine? It was built on Unity.
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                                      i think the comment was more on how they started designing the game with terraformning as a central conceit and a randomly-generated voxel world, then scrapped all that when it was too late to pull it out of the game. so the world is still procedural and fully destructible, but the random seed is static and there is nothing left in the game that damages terrain.
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                                        ...what did happy to ksp2? I remember ms acquired them then... ?
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                                        Ksp2 was far worse. * The KSP2 dev team was entirely new. * They weren't allowed to let the KSP1 team even know they were developing. * They were given no useful information on the codebase they were required to build on. * They had completely unrealistic goals, given the limitations. * When the early access released, it was a car crash. Rather than trying to fix things, they fired the dev team, but still insisted it was still being developed.
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                                          Ksp2 was far worse. * The KSP2 dev team was entirely new. * They weren't allowed to let the KSP1 team even know they were developing. * They were given no useful information on the codebase they were required to build on. * They had completely unrealistic goals, given the limitations. * When the early access released, it was a car crash. Rather than trying to fix things, they fired the dev team, but still insisted it was still being developed.
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                                          The original KSP devs are working on a new game right?
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