Trinket.io is shutting down.
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@futurebird I want to say you really should talk to IT about it if they actually could run Linux, but most these days are locked down. It's a crime that they sell to schools and such frankly. They're designed to be locked down, heavily tracked, etc etc and then to be abandoned and force schools to buy new ones every so often...
(Which really, quite literally, shouldn't be legal... I mean, how is that not a con?)
If I worked for IT and was an linux expert I would do this. But as it stands I'm not dealing with their stuff and can't demand they learn a whole new thing and do a bunch of work. I just walk in and expect all t he computers to work.
And they do this very well.
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What I could use is an app, that is in the "google play store" that you can buy, or is free... with no ads (non-negotiable about the ads, this is for school)
That was kind of an all in one python compiler and text editor.
On mac, python is in the command line and I use "thony" or other IDEs to work with it (or terminal if I want to scare the children)
But what do you do on a got dang chromebook?
I don't need to run big programs. Just turtle and scripts.
@futurebird @alter_kaker no clue what your after, other than that Chromebook environments have a ton of apps to search through
Python Playground - Chrome Web Store
Try Python Playground - a fast, easy and convenient Python compiler and editor that can be used in any tab as an online Python IDE.
(chromewebstore.google.com)
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Can it read and write to text files in the same folder as the code?
Nothing we do is intensive, but I like to show them how to deal with files.
@futurebird it's basically just a terminal emulator. It can run Python and what not. But if you need an IDE too, you'd have to have a separate app or run a terminal IDE like nvim in it
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What I could use is an app, that is in the "google play store" that you can buy, or is free... with no ads (non-negotiable about the ads, this is for school)
That was kind of an all in one python compiler and text editor.
On mac, python is in the command line and I use "thony" or other IDEs to work with it (or terminal if I want to scare the children)
But what do you do on a got dang chromebook?
I don't need to run big programs. Just turtle and scripts.
@futurebird @alter_kaker I know you don't like the browser based UI, but I'd recommend JupyterLab -- Honestly, It's become my default working environment for Python for a long time, implementing and testing stuff bit by bit in notebooks even if they'll eventually be stand-alone scripts: https://www.codecademy.com/article/jupyter-notebook-chromebook
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Trinket.io is shutting down.
I'm kind of bummed. It doesn't seem possible to spin up your own version on a local server so I need to decide what to do for fifth grade python programming by the end of the summer.
The head of IT put me on to trinket... I didn't like that it was an IDE in a browser. But It was clean.
Please don't tell me "just install linux on 300 chromebooks."
That would be nice, but it's not in my control. I could ask IT to add apps to the the chromebooks however.
@futurebird actually wait I think this supports python without having to do anything special
Visual Studio Code for the Web
Build with Visual Studio Code, anywhere, anytime, entirely in your browser.
(vscode.dev)
and it's run by microsoft so it's a lot less likely to suddenly disappear
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@futurebird @alter_kaker I know you don't like the browser based UI, but I'd recommend JupyterLab -- Honestly, It's become my default working environment for Python for a long time, implementing and testing stuff bit by bit in notebooks even if they'll eventually be stand-alone scripts: https://www.codecademy.com/article/jupyter-notebook-chromebook
JupyterLab is OK but it's much more busy and confusing than trinkey.io which was perfect for fifth graders *without* limiting them much if they wanted to try to do some real coding.
It's a fine line.
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If I worked for IT and was an linux expert I would do this. But as it stands I'm not dealing with their stuff and can't demand they learn a whole new thing and do a bunch of work. I just walk in and expect all t he computers to work.
And they do this very well.
@futurebird Yeah, was just saying basically that if they could be unlocked that would be a great option (and it's easier to learn than you think.)
I suspect the point is moot. Any semi-modern Chromebooks are probably locked down as much as an Apple device (albeit sometimes easier to "jailbreak" via exploits.) Google and OEMs realized quickly they could use that to cash in and people weren't fast enough on the draw in telling them no.
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@futurebird Yeah, was just saying basically that if they could be unlocked that would be a great option (and it's easier to learn than you think.)
I suspect the point is moot. Any semi-modern Chromebooks are probably locked down as much as an Apple device (albeit sometimes easier to "jailbreak" via exploits.) Google and OEMs realized quickly they could use that to cash in and people weren't fast enough on the draw in telling them no.
apple laptops are pretty easy to do command line stuff on even with all of the security software.
I'm very happy with the macbooks in that way.
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@futurebird it's basically just a terminal emulator. It can run Python and what not. But if you need an IDE too, you'd have to have a separate app or run a terminal IDE like nvim in it
@nazokiyoubinbou@alter_kaker @futurebird Yeah, and if it works like Android it's sandboxed back and forth and you'll have to grant permissions and deal with the way the filesystems work.
It's not really ideal. If there was absolutely nothing else that could be done it might be better than nothing.
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What I could use is an app, that is in the "google play store" that you can buy, or is free... with no ads (non-negotiable about the ads, this is for school)
That was kind of an all in one python compiler and text editor.
On mac, python is in the command line and I use "thony" or other IDEs to work with it (or terminal if I want to scare the children)
But what do you do on a got dang chromebook?
I don't need to run big programs. Just turtle and scripts.
There are websites that let you execute python online. Perhaps there's on that is specialized for students in a classroom.
This one has ads so you may not want it:
https://www.online-python.com/ -
Trinket.io is shutting down.
I'm kind of bummed. It doesn't seem possible to spin up your own version on a local server so I need to decide what to do for fifth grade python programming by the end of the summer.
The head of IT put me on to trinket... I didn't like that it was an IDE in a browser. But It was clean.
Please don't tell me "just install linux on 300 chromebooks."
That would be nice, but it's not in my control. I could ask IT to add apps to the the chromebooks however.
@futurebird I used to be into cloud IDEs. Portable, etc. But these days I’m a vim boy.
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There are websites that let you execute python online. Perhaps there's on that is specialized for students in a classroom.
This one has ads so you may not want it:
https://www.online-python.com/I'm trying to get away from browser apps because they can change or be shut down at any moment.
Though we may end up just hoping to another service like this.
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Trinket.io is shutting down.
I'm kind of bummed. It doesn't seem possible to spin up your own version on a local server so I need to decide what to do for fifth grade python programming by the end of the summer.
The head of IT put me on to trinket... I didn't like that it was an IDE in a browser. But It was clean.
Please don't tell me "just install linux on 300 chromebooks."
That would be nice, but it's not in my control. I could ask IT to add apps to the the chromebooks however.
@futurebird That makes me sad, I hope you're able to find a solution.
I haven't looked at anything for kids that age for a while, as my own kiddos are older now. I thought I'd glance at code.org to see if they recommended anything and it's AI nonsense slapped all over the landing page. Money going to all the wrong causes.
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Trinket.io is shutting down.
I'm kind of bummed. It doesn't seem possible to spin up your own version on a local server so I need to decide what to do for fifth grade python programming by the end of the summer.
The head of IT put me on to trinket... I didn't like that it was an IDE in a browser. But It was clean.
Please don't tell me "just install linux on 300 chromebooks."
That would be nice, but it's not in my control. I could ask IT to add apps to the the chromebooks however.
@futurebird Crazy, over-the-top idea, but is it possible to run a virtual machine on a Chromebook? Then you could run whatever with a proper IDE and everything. That would be a real PITA to deal with deploying I imagine, but it would give you full (albeit probably slow) capabilities for what you want.
I know there are very limited VMs for Android. I couldn't find out if Chromebook has them.
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I made the seniors in advanced CS use ONLY terminal for a whole week and got a "thank you" letter from one at college.
"everyone thinks I'm a hacker this is amazing"
Yes, it is that easy I suppose.
@futurebird @alter_kaker opened a terminal to check something out on the laptop of one of my club's linux newbies and he went "you're hacking!!!!!!"
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@futurebird actually wait I think this supports python without having to do anything special
Visual Studio Code for the Web
Build with Visual Studio Code, anywhere, anytime, entirely in your browser.
(vscode.dev)
and it's run by microsoft so it's a lot less likely to suddenly disappear
@ben @futurebird And it’s run by microslop so it’s awfully likely to start pushing AI features at the students you’re trying to teach coding to.
And that’s without even touching the question of covert vendor promotion through educational channels.
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@futurebird @alter_kaker opened a terminal to check something out on the laptop of one of my club's linux newbies and he went "you're hacking!!!!!!"
One of my sixth grade student **tattled on me** to the IT head because "she was hacking" (using terminal)
He just rolled around laughing for a full min.
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I made the seniors in advanced CS use ONLY terminal for a whole week and got a "thank you" letter from one at college.
"everyone thinks I'm a hacker this is amazing"
Yes, it is that easy I suppose.
@futurebird @alter_kaker I hope you showed them https://hackertyper.net/
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@futurebird That makes me sad, I hope you're able to find a solution.
I haven't looked at anything for kids that age for a while, as my own kiddos are older now. I thought I'd glance at code.org to see if they recommended anything and it's AI nonsense slapped all over the landing page. Money going to all the wrong causes.
@futurebird Sorry to double post, I was just reading the Trinket announcement. I guess it's possible someone in the community will pick up the server software if Trinket do open source it, as they say they will.
Is the Pickcode option they recommended off the table, or just not suitable? The about page sounds earnest, at least. Sounds quite pricey though, unfortunately.
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@ben @futurebird And it’s run by microslop so it’s awfully likely to start pushing AI features at the students you’re trying to teach coding to.
And that’s without even touching the question of covert vendor promotion through educational channels.
@cmdrmoto @futurebird the premise is they're using chromebooks. that ship has sailed.
