This is a brave man, with a phone camera in his hand, moments before he is tackled and murdered.
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There are a lot of men who will say "I can't stand it when I see a man hit a woman." They will brag be proud of it. But, then there are the people who really feel this way. Who act accordingly. (often not the same people)
They can't stand to see a bully. A bunch gear-balls knocking people smaller than them over. And they respond. A controlled de-escalating response. To step in the way.
Hit me instead. I'm filming you. I'm calm. Leave them alone. A real hero.
My aunt used to tell my cousin who was, like everyone in our family, a huge nerd, but he was also physically huge. Taller than all of us. Just an imposing figure and a Black Man... she told him to be careful.
"Just seeing a man like you can make some of these cops angry. You need to understand that."
I guess it happens to white men too.
And this government tells them "don't worry, no consequence, express your inner emotions."
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My aunt used to tell my cousin who was, like everyone in our family, a huge nerd, but he was also physically huge. Taller than all of us. Just an imposing figure and a Black Man... she told him to be careful.
"Just seeing a man like you can make some of these cops angry. You need to understand that."
I guess it happens to white men too.
And this government tells them "don't worry, no consequence, express your inner emotions."
@futurebird
i think about their families too. what sort of families raise men this way? what are their families' and friends' social norms, what are their children and younger members learning in this. -
There are a lot of men who will say "I can't stand it when I see a man hit a woman." They will brag be proud of it. But, then there are the people who really feel this way. Who act accordingly. (often not the same people)
They can't stand to see a bully. A bunch gear-balls knocking people smaller than them over. And they respond. A controlled de-escalating response. To step in the way.
Hit me instead. I'm filming you. I'm calm. Leave them alone. A real hero.
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@futurebird
i think about their families too. what sort of families raise men this way? what are their families' and friends' social norms, what are their children and younger members learning in this.I think their families don't "raise" them. They get a smattering of "church values" and internalize that American Dream.
Then realize they are too poor, to ever touch even the hem of her skirts. So when some online "masculinity philosopher" says "you are beta, you need to become an alpha" that makes total sense. Why else are they failing so profoundly to live up to that image?
And maybe this new job at ICE will make them feel like a real man.
It won't.
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@gleick This was a normal man, standing up against what he sees as a tyrannical government. The same type of government that is referenced to when debates are held about the 2nd amendment. This incident however shows that the 2nd amendment will never protect Americans. It's only going to be used as an excuse to act mire violently (2/2)
@pwdebruyne @gleick The whole idea that the 2nd amendment is meant to protect against tyrants is a lie. America will not be whole until the Slave Patrol Amendment is gone.
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@pwdebruyne @gleick The Dutch story isn't good either
Martin Vermeer FCD (@martinvermeer@fediscience.org)
@edgeofeurope@mastodon.social @kcheek@mastodon.online @nuintari@bsd.cafe @Blueteamsherpa@infosec.exchange Read a piece long ago where a Dutch ex-cop was interviewed who served during the occupation. He pulled open a desk drawer filled with letters that he had disappeared, from 'good citizens' betraying people in hiding...
FediScience.org (fediscience.org)
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There are a lot of men who will say "I can't stand it when I see a man hit a woman." They will brag be proud of it. But, then there are the people who really feel this way. Who act accordingly. (often not the same people)
They can't stand to see a bully. A bunch gear-balls knocking people smaller than them over. And they respond. A controlled de-escalating response. To step in the way.
Hit me instead. I'm filming you. I'm calm. Leave them alone. A real hero.
TBH when a guy says "I can't stand it when I see a man hit a woman." it's a little red flag for me. The men I know who have said that have always tuned out to be people with little respect for women, or boundaries or... other people.
But maybe my experiences are skewed.
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TBH when a guy says "I can't stand it when I see a man hit a woman." it's a little red flag for me. The men I know who have said that have always tuned out to be people with little respect for women, or boundaries or... other people.
But maybe my experiences are skewed.
It shouldn't be a problem, but sometimes it is.
One of my friends recently saw a bloke beating a woman outside a cinema. He pulled over, and rushed over and twatted the bloke. The girl then had my friend charged with assault on her boyfriend, because 'we were just arguing'. Sheesh.
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TBH when a guy says "I can't stand it when I see a man hit a woman." it's a little red flag for me. The men I know who have said that have always tuned out to be people with little respect for women, or boundaries or... other people.
But maybe my experiences are skewed.
@futurebird @gleick I think I know what you mean. It's the kind of statement that shows more concern for a gender hierarchy than for the general principle of nonviolence. (personally I can't stand when I see people hit each other in anger, period)
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TBH when a guy says "I can't stand it when I see a man hit a woman." it's a little red flag for me. The men I know who have said that have always tuned out to be people with little respect for women, or boundaries or... other people.
But maybe my experiences are skewed.
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I can't prove it but I think they killed him because he made them feel small.
You know, by really doing all of those things we like to say "makes a man a real man"
Stepping up to protect smaller people from the bullies. With calm with honor. Like at his job. Never losing his cool while doing it.
It was an inverted mirror for these little wannabes in all of their mismatched gear looking like boys playing "army" ...
His presence set them off.
@futurebird @gleick This, 1,000,000%.
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TBH when a guy says "I can't stand it when I see a man hit a woman." it's a little red flag for me. The men I know who have said that have always tuned out to be people with little respect for women, or boundaries or... other people.
But maybe my experiences are skewed.
@futurebird @gleick I don’t think it’s skewed. The men who say things like that mean they should be able to control “their women” without hitting them. It’s about the perceived violence of striking rather than the real violence of control.
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I can't prove it but I think they killed him because he made them feel small.
You know, by really doing all of those things we like to say "makes a man a real man"
Stepping up to protect smaller people from the bullies. With calm with honor. Like at his job. Never losing his cool while doing it.
It was an inverted mirror for these little wannabes in all of their mismatched gear looking like boys playing "army" ...
His presence set them off.
@futurebird I think you're exactly right. And I think it was the same with Jonathan Ross’s murder of Renée Good. When she said, “That's fine, dude, I’m not mad at you,” it made him feel small. It showed him that she was brave and he was ineffectual. He couldn't bear it.
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This is a brave man, with a phone camera in his hand, moments before he is tackled and murdered.
@gleick How long until the regime claims it was one of those 'cell phone guns' https://gunsamerica.com/digest/cell-phone-pistol/
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@KarenDorman @wdjorth @ZenHeathen @gleick Citation, please. Otherwise just more noise.
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@gleick How long until the regime claims it was one of those 'cell phone guns' https://gunsamerica.com/digest/cell-phone-pistol/
@timo21@mastodon.sdf.org @gleick@mas.to
For fuck's sake.... way to give every Gestapo nut job an excuse to shoot anyone holding a cell phone... -
I can't prove it but I think they killed him because he made them feel small.
You know, by really doing all of those things we like to say "makes a man a real man"
Stepping up to protect smaller people from the bullies. With calm with honor. Like at his job. Never losing his cool while doing it.
It was an inverted mirror for these little wannabes in all of their mismatched gear looking like boys playing "army" ...
His presence set them off.
We are pain and what cures pain, both. We are the sweet cold water and the jar that pours. I want to hold you close like a lute, so that we can cry out with loving. Would you rather throw stones at a mirror? I am your mirror and here are the stones.
—Rumi, probably
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@gleick
First Good, now Pretti. Pretti and Good.
It seems The Universe is trying to tell certain Americans something that is very clear to others… no matter how ‘good’ you are at telling porky pies (lies) & manipulating images (such as a penguin leading a hated politician into an icy wilderness), their names - Pretti and Good - tell their truth.
