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[JakeyBoi] No Rolls Here
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I would love a few recommendations, if you don't mind. I played mostly Warhammer 2nd edition but can't seem to get around to the latest 4th edition. It feels convoluted and not "balanced", if that makes sense. Every few sessions I keep thinking there has to be a better and/or less complicated system out there. I mostly want the rules to get out of the way of the story we are playing, but still want some depth, differentiation and player choices. And I need a decent magic system, which seems to be the hardest to get right. Any ideas ?
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What the player says determines what the character says - but the dice determine *how they say it.* It's just like everything else, the player chooses what to attack, but the dice say how it goes. Naturally, the player's choice of words could give them a boost or hinder them. Also, I wouldn't let the player just "roll to seduce." You gotta rp a little if you want a rp reward.Man I've so many times been required to say word for word what my character says in my charisma rolls, but because I suck at improv it's been bad. I've gotten nat 20s this way but my DM is like "well what you said is cringy so it wouldn't fly". Literally every DM I have ever had ignored the dice roll and only cared about the improv
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My character has an 18 strength. DM) ok, roll dice to force the gate open. My character has an 18 charisma. DM) ok, it only works if you personally also have an 18 charisma and can act it out.
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Man I've so many times been required to say word for word what my character says in my charisma rolls, but because I suck at improv it's been bad. I've gotten nat 20s this way but my DM is like "well what you said is cringy so it wouldn't fly". Literally every DM I have ever had ignored the dice roll and only cared about the improvThey suck then. Tell them their skills are inferior.
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"Where'd you get that boy pussy? Clown college?Aw, they care about my history
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If you want DND with working rules, Pathfinder 2e is what people recommend. Not first edition. I'm not a huge fan since it's still basically DND. If you want a lightweight system that's mostly about narrative, I'm a fan of Fate. But Fate is absolutely not a crunchy system, and it's largely up to the group to agree on what makes sense. Like, if you want character differentiation you can lean on "aspects as permission" and it's right there. (That is, stuff that's true about your character permits you to try stuff. The barbarian can't even try to decipher the runes, because nothing about his character implies he could do that. You can't just blindly roll something. The wizard can try, because of course wizards know runes) The core rules are free, but you can find books with more specifics. I think there's a Dresden files book people like? They don't provide a complex magic system in the core books, but it has some ideas and the toolkit book has more. I also liked the chronicles of darkness games, but they're generally all modern day occult. You can take the core rules and move them to fantasy, if you wanted. It's pretty light and I like it more than DND in all the ways I care about.Thank you for the detailed answer! I played Pathfinder for a few sessions, but didn't care much for the combat system. I tend to favor conditions over hitpoints these days, and from what I recall Pathfinder was very A+B-C. "Wounded-Dying-Dead" systems are a bit too simplified, but I find around 15 hp to be the maximum I enjoy tracking. Fate looks interesting for sure. It isn't what is was looking for, but the quick rules' overview I just watched was very intriguing. I might try to find a session to watch to get a better idea of how the system plays out. Now Chronicles of Darkness... is not the medieval-fantasy setting I was looking for, but the system hits all the right spots. Around 10hp max, but with pretty much "wounded-dying-dead" superimposed - 9 attributes which combine to give various sub-stats - enough skills to cover basic situations, but room for specialisation as you see fit - rolling lots of dice for epic situations, but counting them fairly simply - and role playing elements integrated into the system through vices and virtues. From what I quickly watched, I love it. I might try to adapt it to medieval fantasy, or just play a a short campaign in the intended world to get a feel for it. Really cool any way, thanks again.
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Always bothered me. Means that anyone who can't improv well is locked to low char characters.
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Man I've so many times been required to say word for word what my character says in my charisma rolls, but because I suck at improv it's been bad. I've gotten nat 20s this way but my DM is like "well what you said is cringy so it wouldn't fly". Literally every DM I have ever had ignored the dice roll and only cared about the improv
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I would love a few recommendations, if you don't mind. I played mostly Warhammer 2nd edition but can't seem to get around to the latest 4th edition. It feels convoluted and not "balanced", if that makes sense. Every few sessions I keep thinking there has to be a better and/or less complicated system out there. I mostly want the rules to get out of the way of the story we are playing, but still want some depth, differentiation and player choices. And I need a decent magic system, which seems to be the hardest to get right. Any ideas ?Blades in the dark and other forged in the dark systems are famous for being an early breakout in RPG game design. I've run a blades in the dark campaign and it was awesome. Check out the YouTube channel "Quinns Quest" and I'm confident you can comfortably try any game he has reviewed to get a better roleplaying experience than D&D.
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Man I've so many times been required to say word for word what my character says in my charisma rolls, but because I suck at improv it's been bad. I've gotten nat 20s this way but my DM is like "well what you said is cringy so it wouldn't fly". Literally every DM I have ever had ignored the dice roll and only cared about the improv
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Not with that attitude. When I dm id accept some uhm-ing, erm-ing fumbling players as buttery smooth talkers if they have the rolls.
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My character has an 18 strength. DM) ok, roll dice to force the gate open. My character has an 18 charisma. DM) ok, it only works if you personally also have an 18 charisma and can act it out.When the DM makes that face, they already know that outcome. The rest is just for fun.
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Man I've so many times been required to say word for word what my character says in my charisma rolls, but because I suck at improv it's been bad. I've gotten nat 20s this way but my DM is like "well what you said is cringy so it wouldn't fly". Literally every DM I have ever had ignored the dice roll and only cared about the improvThat sucks. I love when my players rp something terrible but roll great. player: "I seduce the kobold bartender by telling her I like the thickness of her musk? :: 20+8 in cha bonuses :: Dm: "She drops the glass mug she was washing, staring into your eyes with a startled expression on her face. She doesn't react to the loud shattering of the glass as it hits the floor, she only leans in close and says breathing into your ear as a sharp claw caresses your cheek right under your eye. 'No ones ever talked to me like that before. follow me to my bedroom' dm: roll a perception check :: 2 , no bonuses :: You believe every word she says and follow her up the stairs. Then just let them imagine the worst and decide what happens next session
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Always bothered me. Means that anyone who can't improv well is locked to low char characters.
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I would love a few recommendations, if you don't mind. I played mostly Warhammer 2nd edition but can't seem to get around to the latest 4th edition. It feels convoluted and not "balanced", if that makes sense. Every few sessions I keep thinking there has to be a better and/or less complicated system out there. I mostly want the rules to get out of the way of the story we are playing, but still want some depth, differentiation and player choices. And I need a decent magic system, which seems to be the hardest to get right. Any ideas ?If you want some of that DnDness, I really liked 13th age, and Fanatsycarft. They are on opposite sides of the complexity spectrum. I liked those more than either PF. Ryutama taught me a lot of things about RPGs but a half assed combat system means I can't recommend it., especially for a longer campaign. However if you're interested in something on the experimental side, then I think its perfectly lovely for a one shot. Daggerheart is new, and Im not particularly interested in CR, so I haven't really checked out Daggerheart beyond a cursory scan of the PDF. I enjoyed the heck out of Icon. Exalted is also fun for your fantasy needs. Its a different flavor from dnd though, both mechanically and the kinds of stories they want you to tell. If you're looking for more flexible, open ended stories, fantasy or otherwise, I really liked Fate Accelerated. Thats just if youre looking on the fantasy side of things. On the Sci fi side, Ive been playing Cyberpunk Red and really liking it (although fatigue has yet to set in.) I really liked Shadowrun 4e, and I recommend that to anyone who wants to dip into that (Karmagen optional rule and Chummer.exe are you best friends). Lancer is a heck of a thing.
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Thank you for the detailed answer! I played Pathfinder for a few sessions, but didn't care much for the combat system. I tend to favor conditions over hitpoints these days, and from what I recall Pathfinder was very A+B-C. "Wounded-Dying-Dead" systems are a bit too simplified, but I find around 15 hp to be the maximum I enjoy tracking. Fate looks interesting for sure. It isn't what is was looking for, but the quick rules' overview I just watched was very intriguing. I might try to find a session to watch to get a better idea of how the system plays out. Now Chronicles of Darkness... is not the medieval-fantasy setting I was looking for, but the system hits all the right spots. Around 10hp max, but with pretty much "wounded-dying-dead" superimposed - 9 attributes which combine to give various sub-stats - enough skills to cover basic situations, but room for specialisation as you see fit - rolling lots of dice for epic situations, but counting them fairly simply - and role playing elements integrated into the system through vices and virtues. From what I quickly watched, I love it. I might try to adapt it to medieval fantasy, or just play a a short campaign in the intended world to get a feel for it. Really cool any way, thanks again.
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