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Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney argues banning Twitter over its ability to AI-generate pornographic images of minors is just 'gatekeepers' attempting to 'censor all of their political opponents'
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This isn't really a change, though, I'm pretty sure. People have been able to make photo-realistic depictions a lot longer than AI has existed and those have rightfully been held to be illegal in most places because the confusion it causes makes it harder to stop the real thing.I think the difference here is that Twitter has basically installed a "child porn" button. If their reaction had been to pull the product and install effective safeguards, it wouldn't be as bad. It's a serious fuckup, but people screw up every day. Instead, they've made it so you can pay them to have access to the child porn generator.
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Yes sorry. My original statement was too vague. I was talking specifically about scenarios where there is no victim and the action was just a drawing/story/etc.The issue with child porn is how you specify victim. One could argue easily available pornographic images of fake children increases the market and desire for pornographic images of real children and as such can result in more victims. Especially if someone can argue that images of real victims are "fake and AI generated." In regards to X and Grok however, my understanding is it is taking images of real children and producing naked images of those children. So there are real victims and Tim Sweeny is saying that shouldn't be censored.
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He's wrong because he's not Gabe Newell. On a more serious note, the 404 report cited by the PCGamer article basically supports your point, though with the caveats that X and Musk are bad for other reasons and that those generated images make it into people's feeds: >The major, uhh, downside here is that people are using Grok for the same reasons they use AI elsewhere, which is to nonconsensually sexualize women and celebrities on the internet [...] >The situation on other platforms is better because there are fewer Nazis and because the AI-generated content cannot be created natively in the same feed, but essentially every platform has been polluted with this sort of thing, and the problem is getting worse, not better.
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At this rate I'm calling dibs on your nickname
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I bet hes kind of right, here in the UK we just lost a whole bunch of rights and privacies online under the guise of "protect the kids" but its kind of weird to be piping up against it when theres actually protections needed.It would be weird if it were the only time he's called out the Google and Apple monopolies and their control over apps, but it's not. From a quick lookup: - His [tweet](https://xcancel.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/1858328854139453697#m) where he calls out Apple for removing privacy apps at the request of Russia, and Apple allegedly threatening to remove Twitter in 2024. - His [tweet](https://xcancel.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/1574922498348646400#m) on Apple removing the Russian social media app VK following the US sanctions related to the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2022. Personally, I see no issue with platforms removing content they deem to be problematic, and I'm sure Sweeney agrees, given that the Epic store prohibits pornography for example. However, Apple in particular is unique in that it removing an app means there's practically no way for an iPhone user to access it, since there's no sideloading. If it were an app dedicated to CSAM, I don't think anyone would take issue, but [his argument](https://xcancel.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/2010497254495342610#m) is that removing the app would deplatform all of its 500M users, most of whom are probably not pedos I'm critical of people being on X, but it's also undeniable that despite the far-right leaning and CEO, there are still leftists and people belonging to minority groups who are on it, for whatever reason.
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>I didn't figure I'd ever have to explain to someone why *abusing a human child* is fundamentally different from and worse than drawing on top of a fuckin' JPEG. Holy shit. You don’t. Stop inventing arguments and read what the fuck I’m writing. Answer _those_ questions. What advantage does having unique terms for real and AI content confer? Answer in one sentence.Because of the sentence you just quoted.
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The issue with child porn is how you specify victim. One could argue easily available pornographic images of fake children increases the market and desire for pornographic images of real children and as such can result in more victims. Especially if someone can argue that images of real victims are "fake and AI generated." In regards to X and Grok however, my understanding is it is taking images of real children and producing naked images of those children. So there are real victims and Tim Sweeny is saying that shouldn't be censored.> One could argue easily available pornographic images of fake children increases the market and desire for pornographic images of real children and as such can result in more victims Not speaking to any realistic images (which, if nothing else, make it harder for real investigations into child abuse to happen), only cartoon drawings and the like, but it's hard for me to separate this logic from all of the calls about video game violence. That moves things into 'pre crime' territory. "We're going to jail you for having fake drawn images because we think those will cause you to commit a real crime in the future". That's also extremely problematic and has been rightly criticized when it's used to censor violent games, movies and music.
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> One could argue easily available pornographic images of fake children increases the market and desire for pornographic images of real children and as such can result in more victims Not speaking to any realistic images (which, if nothing else, make it harder for real investigations into child abuse to happen), only cartoon drawings and the like, but it's hard for me to separate this logic from all of the calls about video game violence. That moves things into 'pre crime' territory. "We're going to jail you for having fake drawn images because we think those will cause you to commit a real crime in the future". That's also extremely problematic and has been rightly criticized when it's used to censor violent games, movies and music.
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Man I just ran into 3 site blockages trying to open this. Somebody REALLY doesn’t want this to be read.
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The difference here is that the content is explicitly illegal in almost every jurisdiction in the world. And it's not as if Twitter (I'm not calling it x) is a niche platform that regulators may not have yet noticed. It's a huge company that's doing very illegal things very much out in the open. That might fly in fascist land USA but I don't see why the rest of the world should put up with it.The 'content' actually may not be illegal in many places. Laws in a number of places do not include non-photographic representations because the harm is in the creation of the imagery by abusing real human children or the incentivisation of abuse by purchasing the material. At any rate, the point is that it's not the platform but the content people object to. Closing twitter down would not stop people who want it from using GenAI to make images. The tech exists now and we will have to figure out how to handle that.
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It's a crime, but it's not the same crime as taking the actual clothes off the actual girl. She was not physically abused. She was not even *involved.*
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The 'content' actually may not be illegal in many places. Laws in a number of places do not include non-photographic representations because the harm is in the creation of the imagery by abusing real human children or the incentivisation of abuse by purchasing the material. At any rate, the point is that it's not the platform but the content people object to. Closing twitter down would not stop people who want it from using GenAI to make images. The tech exists now and we will have to figure out how to handle that.
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For some reason Epic studios just let Tim Sweeney say the most insane things. If I was a shareholder I'd want someone to take his phone off him.
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She will be, if some asshat sees the pic and takes it for real and thinks she is OK with bring raped because the loses naked (there are enough asshats that have that mindset)Congratulations on the worst take in a competitive field. Just... what the fuck? What is it about this distinction that makes people lose all sense? 'Hey bearing in mind we're still talking about criminal creeping on children, it's important to remember that actual touching is worse than doodling over images, so let's not dilute a term specifically f--' *'There is no difference between fiction and reality because what if a crazy person couldn't tell fiction from reality?!'* Get help.
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Did Covid-19 make everyone lose their minds? This isn't even about being cruel or egotistical. This is just a stupid thing to say. Has the world lost the concept of PR??? Genuinely defending 𝕏 in the year 2026... for Deepfake porn including of minors!!???? From the Fortnite company guy???
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