Am loving how [benpate@mastodon.social](https://community.nodebb.org/user/benpate%40mastodon.social) is focusing on getting creators onto the fediverse. Important work to cross that chasm! 

@julian @benpate Iconic

@Gargron @julian i can't really speak for anyone here as a relative outsider, but as someone that has worked with both protocols i think one big reason is the lack of a public, accessible, synchronous space for discussion, development, and support

the unofficial discord linked in that slide tends to be fairly active - i've managed to receive answers to most of my atproto-related questions there, and as a result i've been able to get stuff done relatively quickly. whenever i've had issues with activitypub projects in the past, i've just sat on them for long periods of time because i wasn't sure where to ask about them (and i never really got much response from posts i made on the network about them either)

i see socialhub as a great place for asynchronous, more formal happenings, but there's not much for more casual happenings right now afaict (though i'd love to be proven wrong in this regard!)

@esm @Gargron @julian as someone who's also on the outside looking in, I kind of have to concur here. nobody's really having fun. even on socialhub, all I really see is just the same few people people getting really pedantic and argumentative over implementation details and whether rdf is good and where the bike shed for the nuclear reactor should be built. contrast atproto, where people can just be like "I built a toilet social network because it's funny."

I think that activitypub sorely needs more creativity and experimentation and people pushing the protocol in ways that are super unexpected, as well as having developers welcome new people on board and helping them get up to speed (and the casual discussion space that essem mentioned). doing this will probably bring a lot of much needed diversity and progress to the space imo

[eblu@wetdry.world](https://community.nodebb.org/user/eblu%40wetdry.world) said in [Fedicon Livestream](https://community.nodebb.org/post/https%3A%2F%2Fwetdry.world%2Fusers%2Feblu%2Fstatuses%2F114960888673676643): > even on socialhub, all I really see is just the same few people people getting really pedantic and argumentative over implementation details and whether rdf is good and where the bike shed for the nuclear reactor should be built. contrast atproto, where people can just be like "I built a toilet social network because it's funny." I'd love to put some of my creative and cat-herding energies toward developing an implementor-first place for AP developer support. I often make the claim that AP-related discussion should take place over ActivityPub, so I'd love to put that into practice. I'm not a chat-first person, so Discord isn't my first option, but there are other options...! cc [gargron@mastodon.social](https://community.nodebb.org/user/gargron%40mastodon.social) [esm@wetdry.world](https://community.nodebb.org/user/esm%40wetdry.world)

[dawn@cosocial.ca](https://community.nodebb.org/user/dawn%40cosocial.ca) presenting an interesting history of how [coop@cosocial.ca](https://community.nodebb.org/user/coop%40cosocial.ca) came to be. I love how both we have representation from both CoSocial.ca and SocialBC! 

@julian @dawn @coop So I'm curious, does anybody talk about truth.social at the fedicon?

@julian

[dawn@cosocial.ca](https://community.nodebb.org/user/dawn%40cosocial.ca) makes the point that it's important that cosocial members buy at least the share into the coop so as to have a stake in the coop itself. It's more of a commitment than just filling in a form. 

[johannab@cosocial.ca](https://community.nodebb.org/user/johannab%40cosocial.ca) on Digital Third Spaces! Back in the day forums were that digital third space. Social media took that over and they've dropped the ball. Let's bring them back (with more forums obviously) 

Someone's got Mastodon open on their device with sound on and it keeps dinging, and I'm having a Pavlovian urge to check my phone. **I don't even use the Mastodon web app with**

@julian Same, over and over

Analog or digital, humans are the glue that holds together third spaces. 

[johannab@cosocial.ca](https://community.nodebb.org/user/johannab%40cosocial.ca) making the assertion that fedi can make a better third space (digitally) 

@julian I hadn’t noticed the sound at all until I read this post, now I can’t stop hearing the ding too hahaha

[reiver@mastodon.social](https://community.nodebb.org/user/reiver%40mastodon.social) with a surprise demo of CrowdBucks! A new way to help fund the fediverse.  

@julian Is it the ice cubes app ding? I made that one 🤭

Congrats [chad@mstdn.ca](https://community.nodebb.org/user/chad%40mstdn.ca) for winning the FediCon swag competition. Move over stickers here's a MUG.  cc [evan@cosocial.ca](https://community.nodebb.org/user/evan%40cosocial.ca)

@julian @evan they were @jace’s creation!

@julian @chad @evan I have 2 of those! ,