[johannab@cosocial.ca](https://community.nodebb.org/user/johannab%40cosocial.ca) on Digital Third Spaces! Back in the day forums were that digital third space. Social media took that over and they've dropped the ball. Let's bring them back (with more forums obviously) 

Someone's got Mastodon open on their device with sound on and it keeps dinging, and I'm having a Pavlovian urge to check my phone. **I don't even use the Mastodon web app with**

@julian Same, over and over

Analog or digital, humans are the glue that holds together third spaces. 

[johannab@cosocial.ca](https://community.nodebb.org/user/johannab%40cosocial.ca) making the assertion that fedi can make a better third space (digitally) 

@julian I hadn’t noticed the sound at all until I read this post, now I can’t stop hearing the ding too hahaha

[reiver@mastodon.social](https://community.nodebb.org/user/reiver%40mastodon.social) with a surprise demo of CrowdBucks! A new way to help fund the fediverse.  

@julian Is it the ice cubes app ding? I made that one 🤭

Congrats [chad@mstdn.ca](https://community.nodebb.org/user/chad%40mstdn.ca) for winning the FediCon swag competition. Move over stickers here's a MUG.  cc [evan@cosocial.ca](https://community.nodebb.org/user/evan%40cosocial.ca)

@julian @evan they were @jace’s creation!

@julian @chad @evan I have 2 of those! ,

@julian I have that mug!

@chad @evan

@julian @chad @evan

@johnefrancis @julian @evan what a damn good looking mug!!

I think the “Moosetodon Movement” means more than just mstdn.ca, further solidified at #FediCon; a movement country wide to kick the Zuckerverse to the curb.

We still have a lot of work to do but I believe our small but mighty community is working toward that common goal.

@julian
TLDR; but if it's akin to a viable microparyment service, then let's use it to pay rights holders for their IP. It could be commission-free small amounts that are still greater than the royalties proprietary incumbents pay and could attract a critical mass through a/ better pay & b/ ethical tech.
@reiver

@julian

I forget who caught me in the after party chaos and so wisely noted that Social Media != Social Network and among my FediUrbanism 2.0 revisions needs to be the idea that an online Social Network can possibly come closest to a true Third Space, but Social Media contains too many antithetical attributes.

julian:

I'd love to put some of my creative and cat-herding energies toward developing an implementor-first place for AP developer support

Come help us with the reboot of SocialHub, this is and has always been the vision. I'm 100% on board with making SH more fun! I am after all a member of fediverse.party, and the creator of the Freudian Typo of the Week : P. How about some new categories specifically for new implementers to compare notes, or for things like novelty implementations? We're totally open to ideas.

johannab:

Social Media != Social Network

It's hard to know what to make of this in the absence of definitions of each. From context, I'm guessing that for you Social Media = Datafarming corporate platforms, yes? How would you define Social Networks?

I tend to use both terms in their original usages (circa early 2000s). Where "social media" is open publishing with comments (blogging, vlogging, code forges with built-in bug tracking etc), so anyone can publish media and get rapid feedback. While "social network" covers any tool that enables regular interactions between people who know each other, 1:1 or in bounded groups (email, IM, group chat, web forums, link-sharing, etc).

By those definitions the current fediverse is a mixture of both. It's heavily weighted towards social media, but there's a lot of work being done to extend AP (in FRPs and SocialCG taskforces and elsewhere) so it can offer more social networking features.

To be clear, we don't disagree here, I'm just slicing the onion on a different angle

strypey:

It’s hard to know what to make of this in the absence of definitions of each.

I recentely tooted my definitions. Maybe they are useful to others:

My definition of social networking is: Any direct and indirect human interaction between people.

Social media then is a particular set of social networking use cases where people publish content to other people to interact with in a variety of ways.

In any case social media are but a small subset of social networking against these definitions.

@quillmatiq @julian

... and unplanned

@gregalotl @julian @reiver

Yes

On the Fediverse, the hard part is connecting the payment to the payment to the IP that you're purchasing. It means adding in a whole layer of identity and permissions that probably don't exist on most servers.

I believe sub.club managed this with a private "invite only" Mastodon feed, but we can go more granular than that.

I have a prototype working with #Emissary and Bandwagon.fm, and we'll need this tech on many more platforms to make a real difference.