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@Life_is

These templates can cut men off from some of the most rewarding aspects of life and shame them for having normal human feelings.

That's an argument for just not having them at all.

@artemis

My mom? By then women could own property and have credit cards. My mom was the first through the gate to get her hands on all those things and grandma was right behind her cheering her on.

My dad loves how she takes over all of the financial matters. He worked as a chemist, she became a college teacher. They still love spending all their time together. I think of my husband and how I hope we can grow old together like that. That's a good template.

@artemis

My grand mother had just one husband and married at age 18. She loved him, I think. He worked in the steel mill and she packed his lunches and kept house.

The template was still there. But I think she found a better place in it.

She sent all five of her kids to college. Especially the girls. Especially my mom and aunt. And she sometimes resented how smart and fancy they had become, but she never doubted it was the right thing to do.

She was embarrassed that she struggled to read.

@artemis

My great grand mother got married at 16 for the first time. She had three husbands. They were all in their 40s and 50s.

If she was not married she would have lost the little scrap of land they owned, against all odds in NC. If her children didn't have a mother who was married to their father they would face social exclusion.

She understood this and worked within it. Kept the land, improved it. Raised a massive family.

The template was hardened. Unhelpful. She was so brave.

@artemis

It was honestly a shock to me. But my mom is a black woman who was a college professor in the 70s, her mother was a homemaker with a 6th grade education, her mother worked on a tobacco plantation and learned to read from the Bible.

All of them would agree "girl, you better have your own bank account, I don't care how much you love him."

I think, since black women have never been really offered the "homemaker" status the nature of the sham is a bit more obvious from over here.

@bri7

I totally agree.

Women having the freedom to do what they want changes everything and there are some people who really really really don't like all of the status, free labor, and opportunities to exploit that become harder when this happens.

They want everyone put back in our little boxes.

And there is a lot of propaganda to try to get young women to feel their only "value" is their youth and child bearing hips.

It is nonsense.

There is nothing wrong with using the template if it works for the life you want to create. But, be aware that you are using a template, you can toss it aside if it doesn't fit.

And try not to close doors in your life, such as education, that might make such a change possible.

Of course this is easy to say. Harder to Do.

These things can be easier and better when you aren't alone. That's what a marriage can be. Two people with shared values who are happier and stronger together than alone. There are a lot of social templates that cast women into one role and men into another. These roles are not equal and the role as cast for men has more freedoms, although both are constricted.

Have there been women who were happy homemakers untroubled by the world? Yes. There have also been women exploited by that dream.

Women:

* Own property
* Have bank accounts
* Have the education and skills to take care of yourself.

These are hard things for people of all genders to do "in this economy" it's a big fat lie that "leaving it to the man" is anything like a solution.

If you really love him you might need to take care of him too, and yourself and the kids. Amass the knowledge and power to protect everything and everyone you love. That is how you "make the home."

Being a homemaker is incredibly important work. There is nothing wrong with being woman who thinks "what matters most to me is that I can be a good mother" that's kind of amazing.

The first thing that you need to make that dream a reality is independence and your OWN financial stability. Anyone who tells you that, you can't do that unless you "trust in a man to provide for you" is trying to lead you into a very pretty little cage.

And no, we of the left, will not hate you for your dream.

@atomicpoet

I'm increasingly an "old person" I do think there is still an expectation in hetro relationships that men take the lead in asking. But someone who shares your values is what matters. They wouldn't really care I'd think?

Take a look at "Life, take two!" At first I thought she was exaggerating. She talks about how her pastor discouraged her from going to college (!) from doing anything that might lead to financial independence.

She listened to that bad advice, found herself trapped. Then she got out. She has little positive to say about marriage.

The idea of discouraging someone from going to college was so alien at first I didn't believe her. But I think this is really happening.

@atomicpoet

From personal experience I'm a huge fan of getting married if you can find someone who you want to marry. For all the flaws, it can work really well for a lot of people I think.

But I also like to point out that there are pockets of the country where marriage is still a kind of prison for women. And women just now waking up to and resisting this.

@atomicpoet

Chris I am suspicious of the framing of this article. I only scanned it, but I didn't see any statistics. Nothing like a poll showing X percent of women used to think one thing and now it's changed.

This is a complementary piece to the narrative about "male loneliness."

It's relatable for those who want this story to be true.

The stat that I did see was that younger women are less interested in getting married than in the past. While men have changed less.

They called in "sick" ?

Of COURSE they were really sick. Come on now.

It's probably worse to be a fascist who loves the fascism than a sheepish accidental "I don't really believe in any of this" fascist ... but the later is more tragic in some ways. More depressing.

Especially if it's someone I wanted to admire and respect ... once. Or god forbid myself.

And the minority who really wants this nonsense is counting on a lot of people just going along with it even though we "don't really like it much." History records actions not the contents of your heart.

RE: https://sauropods.win/@futurebird/113866153506476305

It's a good moment to ask if you are a member of the "sheepish middle management helping hands" class.

A lot of people are staying home in MN today. If you can't, are you at least supporting those who feel they must?

@llewelly

that might not be a problem

@schuemaa @dpiponi

OK that kind of counts. But I still say it's not "police ants"

@wavesculptor @vfrmedia @funkula

It's perfectly on theme.

There are EGGS.

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