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@moz @graydon @mediaevalfishsandwich @epicdemiologist
"sorry about replying to an old comment"
One of the things I like about the fedi is that old conversations can comeback and feed into each other and build.
I never understood the hate for "necro threads" in some online communities.
@the5thColumnist @faithisleaping
"zero tolerance" = "too lazy to figure out what the heck is really going on"
I've been in a few cases where I didn't have enough information to say "who started it" and in those cases I'd tell the students this frankly, but making it clear that if I did know it would matter.
"a teacher is using an ai detection program to check students essays"
nooooooo nooooo nooo don't dooooo this.
(I'm not being constructive but I'm going to die on the faculty lounge floor if I hear about one more teacher doing this. It's just going to make you suspicious. Use your brain. If you think it's "odd" talk to the kid maybe. Have a clear policy.... why why why)
This makes total sense ... but I could also see these distinctions being very confusing to a kid.
This is also a good idea. It's not like the questions here are "new" they are just surrounded by new contexts and might be hard to recognize for what they are.
I really should not be teaching any ethics I'm just the math and CS teacher but these people want "AI Ethics Lessons" so. I will do my best.
The "What is likely to happen?" question is depressing but needed.
*** high pitched squeaking sounds ***
I neeeeed these...
Please don't force me to learn how to knit a whole sweater. I have made mittens and that is the limit of my poor little attention span.
@tshirtman
"Is the fanfic good? Do people like it? I don't think anything else should matter here."
YUP.
Good idea to have one about self-reinforcing "therapy" loops.
I'd like to work another person into this one. Maybe someone they show it to in order to prove that they are being mistreated?
Hard agree.
And if that doesn't happen the creator should produce the *exact* same product and sell it themselves (but with a "genuine" mark) and dare them to do anything about it.
I think "LLM detectors" are useless for this kind of thing. But that's just my personal take at this point. LLM detectors may serve a purpose in helping to clean up spam, and webrot but beyond that? I think they are kind of like a lie detector test.
PUZZLE 4
A student needs a new logo for an after school club. She uses an LLM to generate several ideas based on the name and topic of the club. She redraws these in a computer graphics program making a few refinements to the ideas from the LLM. Later that year she wins an award for her logo design beating several students who used no AI help.
What is likely to happen?
What should happen?
PUZZLE 3
A student types her essay without assistance, but then puts it into an LLM to “improve spelling and grammar” most of the changes the LLM makes are small. Her teacher is a bit suspicious at the sudden improvement in the sophistication of her sentences and asks her if she used an LLM.
What is likely to happen?
What should happen?
PUZZLE 2
A popular Star Wars fanfiction author is accused of using a LLM to generate their newest chapters but the author says they *did not* use an LLM. A popular LLM “detector” says there is a 70% chance that the new chapter is AI generated.
What is likely to happen?
What should happen?
PUZZLE 1
An artist discovers that someone is selling copies of his work on etsy. The artist draws simple, but popular cartoon characters. The etsy shop is selling custom tee-shirts that feature these characters but they have put them in new poses and added funny quotes. When the artist complains the seller says that they used Midjourney to make the characters.
What is likely to happen?
What should happen?
Can you help me brainstorm some thorny "AI Ethics Puzzles"
These are little scenarios meant to act as a starting point in discussions about the ethics of AI.
I will post some examples in response to this post, but I'd love to find some even more thorny ones.
Ideally a puzzle shouldn't have a totally obvious solution when presented to people with a wide range of views. Make up something, or share what you have encountered.
I get into this a bit more in this part of the thread:
As a teacher who is always looking out for kids who struggle with "socializing" the part about being shut out really bothers me. When I was in HS internet was a secret world for a few dozen nerdy kids who knew about it. Now it's more like the socially savvy kids figure it out, and even manage to use it rather responsibly, but the kids who are more like I was... they have no idea what's going on or where to start and they are just left out. That sucks.
Sauropods.win (sauropods.win)
Are you saying it's better not to have such a network?
You are very incorrect about my experience with bullying.
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